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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2018, 03:54:28 AM »
interesting Sadie.
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Offline Carana

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2018, 08:52:41 AM »
It is for the authorities to establish what is evidence of a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.  Anyone with good knowledge of the Maddie case will know exactly what went on. I want the police to establish who was pulling the strings and authorising payments to the private detective criminals for work which had no relevance to finding Maddie.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have read (and no doubt posted a link at some point) that M3 contributed to the cost of the dam search. If that's true, it's Madeleine-related, so I don't see an issue.

I find it plausible, but by no means confirmed, that M3 may have been interested in checking out any potential links between the disappearances of Joana and Madeleine - and that may be a lead that one or both of the current investigations have been looking at. If so, I don't have an issue with that either.

Beyond that, IMO, Marcos went off with his own personal agenda and personally I doubt that M3 had any more to do with him.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2018, 11:04:03 AM »
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I have read (and no doubt posted a link at some point) that M3 contributed to the cost of the dam search. If that's true, it's Madeleine-related, so I don't see an issue.

I find it plausible, but by no means confirmed, that M3 may have been interested in checking out any potential links between the disappearances of Joana and Madeleine - and that may be a lead that one or both of the current investigations have been looking at. If so, I don't have an issue with that either.

Beyond that, IMO, Marcos went off with his own personal agenda and personally I doubt that M3 had any more to do with him.

Then let’s hope that that’s what the files handed over to OG says because if not Metodo3/fund has a lot of explaining to do.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2018, 03:18:41 PM »
Then let’s hope that that’s what the files handed over to OG says because if not Metodo3/fund has a lot of explaining to do.

When were the PI files handed over?  Sometime in 2010, I imagine?  In my opinion Operation Grange have gleaned as much information from them as they contain and if any explanation was required, it has long since been well accounted for.
Not everyone involved in Madeleine's case is wedded to groundhog day ... in my opinion.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2018, 05:17:58 PM »
When were the PI files handed over?  Sometime in 2010, I imagine?  In my opinion Operation Grange have gleaned as much information from them as they contain and if any explanation was required, it has long since been well accounted for.
Not everyone involved in Madeleine's case is wedded to groundhog day ... in my opinion.

2010 ? You mean before the OG review ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2018, 06:38:50 PM »
2010 ? You mean before the OG review ?

Absolutely not!
I refer to the scoping exercise which was ordered by the then Home Secretary Alan Johnson after lobbying by Kate and Gerry MacCann on Madeleine's behalf.
If you remember their request was particularly difficult to resist when as a result of testimony from Ricardo Paiva  during the libel trial that information given to the Portuguese police concerning Madeleine had been filed and not investigated since her case was archived in 2008.

Two years when only the McCann PIs were looking for Madeleine McCann ... while the Portuguese police were sitting on a mine of information which had continued to be sent to them, but not passed on or acted upon by them.

Home Office launches secret review into Madeleine McCann's disappearance
By Robert Mendick9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010

The move follows the release of 2,000 pages of evidence last week which Portuguese detectives are accused of having failed to fully investigate.

According to sources close to the McCanns, Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, has ordered officials to examine the 'feasibility' of British or Portuguese detectives looking afresh at all the evidence.

Kate and Gerry McCann met with Mr Johnson last year to plead for help in their search for Madeleine, who vanished without trace in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

The couple have also met with John Yates, the Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, who has headed up a number of high profile inquiries in recent years.

He is said to be "sympathetic" and to have made "general offers of assistance".

The source said: "The latest we have heard from the Home Office is officials are undertaking a 'scoping exercise' to look into the possibility of a review of the case.

"They are looking at all the options. It is basically a feasibility study.

"Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way."

Pressure is now being put on Portuguese authorities to agree in the first instance to a three-day review of the case that could be held at Interpol's headquarters in Lyon in France.

The McCanns will hope the Home Office can persuade their Portuguese counterparts to co-operate in a case review.

The review – were it to go ahead – would involve British police working with Portuguese counterparts as well as experts in child abduction across other European forces.

The Portuguese police have been heavily criticised for their handling of the case which led to detectives naming the McCanns, both doctors from Leicestershire, as arguidos – or suspects – in the case and accusing them of involvement in her disappearance.

Their arguido status was subsequently lifted and the police investigation shelved.

But with the senior officer in charge Goncalo Amaral now widely discredited and facing financial ruin after being sued for libel by the McCanns over a book he wrote, it may become harder for the Portuguese to refuse the request for a thorough review.

The revelation that possible leads – many passed to Portuguese police by the McCanns' own private detectives – had apparently been ignored will add to the clamour.

Last week, details emerged of a series of possible sightings of Madeleine, who was just three when she vanished.

Guilhermino Encarnacao, who was in charge of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, died two weeks ago from stomach cancer.

Mr Encarnacao was convinced Madeleine had died in her parents' apartment and was a major source of a series of off the record briefings to journalists against the McCanns.

A Home Office spokesman said: "We can confirm that the Home Secretary had a private meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann.

"Leicestershire Police stand ready to co-ordinate and complete enquiries if further information comes to light in the UK; or if requested to do so by the Portuguese authorities, who continue to lead on the overall investigation."

The spokesman refused to discuss what talks took place at the meeting or whether there was the chance of a review of the evidence at Interpol.

The spokesman added: "We are not going to comment on the outcome of any private meeting with the McCanns."

Mr Yates was unavailable for comment. He led the cash for honours investigation and was also involved in a new inquiry into the murder of Julie Ward, who was murdered in Kenya in 1988.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7384911/Home-Office-launches-secret-review-into-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2018, 06:48:53 PM »
2010 ? You mean before the OG review ?
"remember their request was particularly difficult to resist when as a result of testimony from Ricardo Paiva  during the libel trial that information given to the Portuguese police concerning Madeleine had been filed and not investigated since her case was archived in 2008." 

Just about makes a person cry!
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Offline barrier

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2018, 06:57:18 PM »
"remember their request was particularly difficult to resist when as a result of testimony from Ricardo Paiva  during the libel trial that information given to the Portuguese police concerning Madeleine had been filed and not investigated since her case was archived in 2008." 

Just about makes a person cry!

Keep on crying The British tax payer have spent £11 million and counting,still nothing to show for it except eliminating all and sundry.Perhaps there was nothing to investigate.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2018, 07:02:31 PM »
Keep on crying The British tax payer have spent £11 million and counting,still nothing to show for it except eliminating all and sundry.Perhaps there was nothing to investigate.
A child has gone missing, fate unknown.  That is something to investigate IMO.
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline jassi

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2018, 07:26:02 PM »
A child has gone missing, fate unknown.  That is something to investigate IMO.

Maybe, but for how long ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2018, 07:34:54 PM »
Maybe, but for how long ?
For as long as it takes IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline jassi

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2018, 07:46:30 PM »
For as long as it takes IMO.

Not very realistic - IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2018, 07:52:53 PM »
Not very realistic - IMO
Many missing persons cases continue to be investigated for years after the victims first disappeared.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2018, 07:53:21 PM »
Not very realistic - IMO
It is low key at the moment.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Should the Maddie enquiry be expanded?
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2018, 07:54:28 PM »
It is low key at the moment.

is it...can you tell us what SC are investigating