UK Justice Forum 🇬🇧
Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => The Disappearance of Portuguese youngster Joana Cipriano (8) from the village of Figueira, near Portimão, Algarve, on 12 September 2004. => Topic started by: John on January 20, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
-
The Cipriano case has been looked at again this past week and has generated some of the worse behaviour to be seen on the forum for quite a while. The forum for the most part is divided over the case with some members suggesting she might be innocent while others go with the court verdict and add that she deserved the beating she received from the Portuguese police. Both comments could be viewed as inflammatory.
What is it that invokes such passion in the Cipriano case?
-
The Cipriano case has been looked at again this past week and has generated some of the worse behaviour to be seen on the forum for quite a while. The forum for the most part is divided over the case with some members suggesting she might be innocent while others go with the court verdict and add that she deserved the beating she received from the Portuguese police. Both comments could be viewed as inflammatory.
What is it that invokes such passion in the Cipriano case?
If you had put this post on the McCann board you would have been inundated with replies so just goes to show that without the Maddie case nobody is really bothered about the Ciprianos. 8)><(
-
The Cipriano case has been looked at again this past week and has generated some of the worse behaviour to be seen on the forum for quite a while. The forum for the most part is divided over the case with some members suggesting she might be innocent while others go with the court verdict and add that she deserved the beating she received from the Portuguese police. Both comments could be viewed as inflammatory.
What is it that invokes such passion in the Cipriano case?
I don't see what's inflammatory about examining the so-called "evidence" (or rather the lack of it) and wondering if there may have been a miscarriage of justice. That is, after all, what this forum is about... isn't it?
If there has been a miscarriage, then two people are serving long sentences for crimes that they didn't commit and whoever really is responsible for whatever happened to her is still out there thereby placing other children at potential risk. And, at the end of the day, there is a missing child whose fate and whereabouts still remain unknown.
-
The most shocking thing I gleaned from the recent discussion of the Cipriano case was the approval and more than toleration with which some members were prepared to accept the torture of Leonor Cipriano while in police custody.
-
I don't see what's inflammatory about examining the so-called "evidence" (or rather the lack of it) and wondering if there may have been a miscarriage of justice. That is, after all, what this forum is about... isn't it?
If there has been a miscarriage, then two people are serving long sentences for crimes that they didn't commit and whoever really is responsible for whatever happened to her is still out there thereby placing other children at potential risk. And, at the end of the day, there is a missing child whose fate and whereabouts still remain unknown.
Had the Madeleine McCann case never occurred, it is highly unlikely many of us would have even heard of Joana Cipriano, let alone been concerned about the conviction of her parents. But Madeleine did happen and many of the characters who were so vocal in the prosecution of Leonor & Joao popped up again being equally vocal against the parents of a missing child, promoting lies & innuendo.
As Carana said, the missing child was of secondary importance to the PJ. Securing a conviction was the main priority, even if there may have been no crime committed.
It is difficult to prove the truth in any case where so many lies abound. It is equally difficult for us in the UK to condemn the Portuguese justice system when our own is severely flawed. The present disclosure of the investigation surrounding the death of little Poppi Worthington leaves another nasty taste in the mouth.
-
Police brutality and miscarriages of justice occur everywhere. Hopefully less often now than in the past in civilised societies.
Numerous cases of miscarriages of justice are emerging in the US, for example. Some have even been on death row for a decade or more and were found - in extremis - to be innocent (a punishment that doesn't exist in Portugal, to its credit).
For others, it's too late.