Luke Mitchell Theories

[Parky41]

WW: taking your claim that the witness sightings of LM did not happen or were someone else, would that someone else not have been traced and identified, particularly the "teenage couple" who were seen at the entrance to the path.

While claiming all the LM court witnesses were wrong or unreliable, you've offered ?? as an alternative being witnessed by an unknown person at 4.45pm? This "witness" has never been named or used by the defence as the last person to see [Name removed] alive. I believe this was a false trail that the police did not pursue, or surely the defence would have called them as a witness?

It is all utter nonsense Kenmair:

Correct - No witnesses used to show what was important, the girls last movements that day after leaving home. Clearly was a false trail.

The brother, there are NO witnesses to him walking that road far less "following" anyone. Not the schoolgirl at that time, and not anyone "following" her from 'clickbait' headlines. Such outstanding proof used, is it not? 'Clickbait' headlines from a media appeal. To a 'claimed' over the phone ID several weeks later.

The brother was present when the police attended at his house, not only was he present there he was also present to the rear of the school with his mother, AO's, along with everyone else which of course includes the police. - Had this nonsense out with SL before.

The knowledge of the path fiasco, where WW intentionally goes off into a world of their own. Already stated that LM's girlfriend had been banned from using the path after getting into a relationship with him. She was 14yrs old and not the age WW applies.

Absolutely correct, it is not simply the application of the witnesses who saw and identified LM, it is the absolute absence of them being anyone else. More so those on NR where the claimed 'real' LM was not further down that road. Only the one of him present at any time! So again, it is the absence, and in this instance of LM himself elsewhere. Which ties with the AB sighting also, he was not home, no alibi, not seen anywhere else.

Neither is there any 40mins that LM carried out everything. Already been pulled up for such nonsense yet still continues with it.

Mr Apples:

Not quite Mr Apples - My belief is around means and opportunity in respect of the whole time frame and not just up until 6pm. If someone stated he could not have did something, I have combatted it with what could have been achieved. For that time period I worked at one point with the bare minimum of 13mins. The 'forceful', he would have had to go home, have a shower, get changed, discuss with mother and be back on NR, applying fallacy to add weight to 'their' impossible. I have simply combatted that, not therefore my belief that is what he did do.

[faithlilly]

WW: taking your claim that the witness sightings of LM did not happen or were someone else, would that someone else not have been traced and identified, particularly the "teenage couple" who were seen at the entrance to the path.

While claiming all the LM court witnesses were wrong or unreliable, you've offered ?? as an alternative being witnessed by an unknown person at 4.45pm? This "witness" has never been named or used by the defence as the last person to see [Name removed] alive. I believe this was a false trail that the police did not pursue, or surely the defence would have called them as a witness?

Firstly Adriana Bryson’s first statements put her sighting of the young couple at around 5.45. If you were the young couple seen by Bryson would you recognise yourself as that couple if you had been there at the time Bryson first gave rather than the revised 4.45?

Wasn’t [Name removed] extempted from attendance as a witness because of his mental health?

[faithlilly]

The brother was present when the police attended at his house, not only was he present there he was also present to the rear of the school with his mother, AO's, along with everyone else which of course includes the police. - Had this nonsense out with SL before.

And we are simply meant to believe you? With absolutely no evidence at all. Some have already been stung by your misinformation this week. Hopefully they will have learned not to be so gullible in the future.
 

[KenMair]

Firstly Adriana Bryson’s first statements put her sighting of the young couple was around 5.45. If you were the young couple seen by Bryson would you recognise yourself as that couple if you had been there at the time Bryson first gave rather than the revised 4.45?

Wasn’t [Name removed] extempted from attendance as a witness because of his mental health?

I'm talking about the alleged and un-named "Stocky Man" witness who was not called to court or been heard of since, not [Name removed]. My point was "court witnesses" Vs "unknown/never followed up witness" - it was established in court that the witness sightings were of LM, not anyone else. I know I would be hard pushed to describe someone completely accurately that I drove past for 5-10 secs and then identify them over a year later in court.

[Parky41]

Good points Mr Apples. I've heard from numerous sources over the years that there was a strong majority required and that it was more than 9-6 against LM. Of course this will be offset by his dwindling supporters that require cites etc while believing in the ever changing Stocky Man fairy tale put forth by SL & SF.

If there were doubts surely further evidence would have been lodged at appeals and SCCRC?

It has been doing the rounds for many yrs inclusive of forum discussions pre 2010. 

[faithlilly]

I'm talking about the alleged and un-named "Stocky Man" witness who was not called to court or been heard of since, not [Name removed]. My point was "court witnesses" Vs "unknown/never followed up witness" - it was established in court that the witness sightings were of LM, not anyone else. I know I would be hard pushed to describe someone completely accurately that I drove past for 5-10 secs and then identify them over a year later in court.

I’d be hard pushed too to identify someone I’d drove past while concentrating where I should have been, on the road, in court a year later. That’s why eyewitness testimony of this type is so unreliable.

[faithlilly]

It has been doing the rounds for many yrs inclusive of forum discussions pre 2010.

And yet you can’t provide one single source.

[Mr Apples]

Mr Apples:

Not quite Mr Apples - My belief is around means and opportunity in respect of the whole time frame and not just up until 6pm. If someone stated he could not have did something, I have combatted it with what could have been achieved. For that time period I worked at one point with the bare minimum of 13mins. The 'forceful', he would have had to go home, have a shower, get changed, discuss with mother and be back on NR, applying fallacy to add weight to 'their' impossible. I have simply combatted that, not therefore my belief that is what he did do.

What -- taking into consideration all that has been released transcript wise thus far and your own personal research thus far -- do you think LM did between 1740 - 1755? Do you think he had a bomber jacket planked nearby to change in to (ie, planked there previously by himself?) Do you think it was brought to him by either CM or SM? Or do you think he went home to change jackets? Or that he had worn the waist-length bomber jacket beneath his veneers of clothing between 1740-1820?

[faithlilly]

What -- taking into consideration all that has been released transcript wise thus far and your own personal research thus far -- do you think LM did between 1740 - 1755? Do you think he had a bomber jacket planked nearby to change in to (ie, planked there previously by himself?) Do you think it was brought to him by either CM or SM? Or do you think he went home to change jackets? Or that he had worn the waist-length bomber jacket beneath his veneers of clothing between 1740-1820?

Or that he didn’t do it perhaps?

[faithlilly]

If someone stated he could not have did something, I have combatted it with what could have been achieved. For that time period I worked at one point with the bare minimum of 13mins.

That’s rather like the government saying that Rwanda is a safe country. It’s simply not enough to say it is when the opposite has been proved.

[William Wallace]

WW: taking your claim that the witness sightings of LM did not happen or were someone else, would that someone else not have been traced and identified, particularly the "teenage couple" who were seen at the entrance to the path.

While claiming all the LM court witnesses were wrong or unreliable, you've offered ?? as an alternative being witnessed by an unknown person at 4.45pm? This "witness" has never been named or used by the defence as the last person to see [Name removed] alive. I believe this was a false trail that the police did not pursue, or surely the defence would have called them as a witness?

The witness identified "he who cannot be named" after seeing him on TV at the funeral. This witness does not appear to have been cited by the Prosecution, because it would have probably damaged the case against LM. I don't think this witness sighting was ever notified to the defence, although I'm not 100pc sure about that.

Your point about the couple never being traced is a good one as they would absolutely have been traced in an area which has a population of only about 8000.I think the reason they were never traced is because one of them was Jodi and the other was the person who killed her, but I don't think that youth seen by AB was Mitchell. Her description didn't match Mitchell....hair up in a clump, jacket with bulging pocket etc.

Another very strange thing..... how could he have managed to walk the full length of that path which is close to a mile and would take maybe 20m to walk at average pace, without one person seeing him walking from one end to the other? If he walked along there from 435pm to 455pm on a bright dry day in summer, there would surely have been at least some walkers, cyclists, dog walkers, maybe even teenagers on bikes etc who would have seen him? It's not impossible of course, but at that time it seems highly unlikely not one person saw him walking on the path towards Easthouses. Even Leonard Kelly didn't see him and he cycled the whole length of the path between about 5.10 and 5.20pm. None of it makes any rational sense.

[Mr Apples]

Or that he didn’t do it perhaps?

It doesn't work like that, Faith. May I respectfully suggest putting the PD James & Judith Cutler novels down and doing more research into this case until you reach a more sound conclusion?? Occam's razor is your friend, btw.

[Mr Apples]

Another very strange thing..... how could he have managed to walk the full length of that path which is close to a mile and would take maybe 20m to walk at average pace, without one person seeing him walking from one end to the other? If he walked along there from 435pm to 455pm on a bright dry day in summer, there would surely have been at least some walkers, cyclists, dog walkers, maybe even teenagers on bikes etc who would have seen him? It's not impossible of course, but at that time it seems highly unlikely not one person saw him walking on the path towards Easthouses. Even Leonard Kelly didn't see him and he cycled the whole length of the path between about 5.10 and 5.20pm. None of it makes any rational sense.

I think he cycled over via the abbey/the field north of the woodland strip (his yellow pushbike was spotted by JF & GD chained to the railings at the back of NB high school that fateful afternoon). Probably just a coincidence no one saw him (unless, of course, he had preplanned the murder, in which case he likely went out of his way to not be seen). Interestingly, the David High transcript, if my memory serves, indicates that LM was spotted by witnesses at a park on his bike, but it doesn't state at which time or where exactly. My hunch tells me that it was probably between 1640-1650 as he cycled over to meet Jodi just after her last text came through at 1638. And all these times really do add up and strongly point to LM as the culprit (Occam's razor).

[faithlilly]

It doesn't work like that, Faith. May I respectfully suggest putting the PD James & Judith Cutler novels down and doing more research into this case until you reach a more sound conclusion?? Occam's razor is your friend, btw.

Occam’s razor most certainly is your friend. It’s a pity then you fail to applythat to your own research.

For Luke to have done what you propose he did the murder would have to have premeditated. There doesn’t seem to have been any evidence presented in court that there was any animosity between the couple at lunchtime on the Monday so why do you think he set out to commit the murder? Jodi herself describes Luke in her diary as understanding and sympathetic so what do you think turned him into a killer?

[faithlilly]

I think he cycled over via the abbey/the field north of the woodland strip (his yellow pushbike was spotted by JF & GD chained to the railings at the back of NB high school that fateful afternoon). Probably just a coincidence no one saw him (unless, of course, he had preplanned the murder, in which case he likely went out of his way to not be seen). Interestingly, the David High transcript, if my memory serves, indicates that LM was spotted by witnesses at a park on his bike, but it doesn't state at which time or where exactly. My hunch tells me that it was probably between 1640-1650 as he cycled over to meet Jodi just after her last text came through at 1638. And all these times really do add up and strongly point to LM as the culprit (Occam's razor).

And [Name removed] and [Name removed]’s motorbike was seen at the v in the wall behind which Jodi’s body was found at around the time the police say that the murder was committed. [Name removed] admitted as much in his court testimony. Yet when asked about it in court both [Name removed] and [Name removed] couldn’t remember where they’d been. Through the prism of Occam’s razor how would you explain that? Or is your theory based exclusively on ‘hunches’?