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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: Daisy on March 13, 2014, 01:34:05 PM
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Please could I make you aware of my friend Paul Bush who is serving a prison sentence for murder by joint enterprise. Paul is the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice, simply by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He found himself in court with three men he didn’t know and had no knowledge of. He was repairing a car in the vicinity of a flat unaware of the horror which was unfolding behind him. An Indian woman was in the process of being kidnapped because she dared to divorce her much older husband. Paul was oblivious of this and remained unaware until ten months later when the police came knocking on his door and arrested him for murder. Please take time to look at the website set up to highlight this case and clear his name. This is www.freepaulbush.com
After reading all the information I am sure like me, you will wonder how this man was ever charged, let alone convicted. The website is in need of updating as Giovanni di Stefano the fake lawyer who represented Paul, was convicted in March 2013. The family is working on updating the site. Paul’s family have lost over £120,000 to the man who they thought was going to represent him at his appeal but he was conned, together with many other clients. It was only the sheer determination of Paul’s father that di Stefano was finally extradited from Italy to face trial and is now in prison serving 14 years for fraud and deception.
If you can help in any way to highlight this injustice, the family would be eternally grateful. This could be tweeting, mentioning his case on your Facebook accounts, writing to your MP or making a small donation towards much needed legal costs. I will be happy to answer any questions you may have
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Giovanni fooled many people with his fake credentials for a long time but he isn't fooling anyone any more.
Daisy. If you follow our sister site on twitter @justice_forum and copy tweets to us we can retweet them for you. Same goes for facebook at UK Justice Forum. http://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum
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Please could I make you aware of my friend Paul Bush who is serving a prison sentence for murder by joint enterprise. Paul is the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice, simply by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He found himself in court with three men he didn’t know and had no knowledge of. He was repairing a car in the vicinity of a flat unaware of the horror which was unfolding behind him. An Indian woman was in the process of being kidnapped because she dared to divorce her much older husband. Paul was oblivious of this and remained unaware until ten months later when the police came knocking on his door and arrested him for murder. Please take time to look at the website set up to highlight this case and clear his name. This is www.freepaulbush.com
After reading all the information I am sure like me, you will wonder how this man was ever charged, let alone convicted. The website is in need of updating as Giovanni di Stefano the fake lawyer who represented Paul, was convicted in March 2013. The family is working on updating the site. Paul’s family have lost over £120,000 to the man who they thought was going to represent him at his appeal but he was conned, together with many other clients. It was only the sheer determination of Paul’s father that di Stefano was finally extradited from Italy to face trial and is now in prison serving 14 years for fraud and deception.
If you can help in any way to highlight this injustice, the family would be eternally grateful. This could be tweeting, mentioning his case on your Facebook accounts, writing to your MP or making a small donation towards much needed legal costs. I will be happy to answer any questions you may have
His explanation, for being in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', was far fetched to say the least.
His explanation for the match evidence was laughable. He also ended up contradicting his own initial account, given in his Police interviews.
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Giovanni fooled many people with his fake credentials for a long time but he isn't fooling anyone any more.
Daisy. If you follow our sister site on twitter @justice_forum and copy tweets to us we can retweet them for you. Same goes for facebook at UK Justice Forum. http://www.facebook.com/UkJusticeForum
Sorry John I am not on twitter or facebook, that is why I have applealed to this forum.
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His explanation, for being in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', was far fetched to say the least.
His explanation for the match evidence was laughable. He also ended up contradicting his own initial account, given in his Police interviews.
I find your comments offensive and you have obviously not studied the case. Paul was repairing a car and had no idea what was happening in the flats behind him. How on earth can this be far fetched?
Also, as regards the match evidence, he asked Alleyne for a torch to look under the car but Alleyne only had a box of matches. Paul struck two of these and being the tidy person that he is, replaced the spent matches in the box instead of throwing them on the ground. These matches were therefore present in the box when the genuine suspects left the box outside the flat.
Referring to his police interview - if I was an officer and asked a suspect what they were doing on a given day and time ten months earlier without allowing them to consult their diary and they were immediately able to recall where they were, I would be extremely suspicious. We all have busy lives and most of us can't remember what we were doing last week, never mind ten months previously.
These are just your opinions and are not substantiated. Paul is entirely innocent and ten years later is unable to come to terms with being charged with a crime he knows nothing about.
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I find your comments offensive and you have obviously not studied the case. Paul was repairing a car and had no idea what was happening in the flats behind him. How on earth can this be far fetched?
Also, as regards the match evidence, he asked Alleyne for a torch to look under the car but Alleyne only had a box of matches. Paul struck two of these and being the tidy person that he is, replaced the spent matches in the box instead of throwing them on the ground. These matches were therefore present in the box when the genuine suspects left the box outside the flat.
Referring to his police interview - if I was an officer and asked a suspect what they were doing on a given day and time ten months earlier without allowing them to consult their diary and they were immediately able to recall where they were, I would be extremely suspicious. We all have busy lives and most of us can't remember what we were doing last week, never mind ten months previously.
These are just your opinions and are not substantiated. Paul is entirely innocent and ten years later is unable to come to terms with being charged with a crime he knows nothing about.
It really doesn't matter what I think, does it? The jury, who were privy to ALL the information, didn't believe him either!
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It seems that Paul was convicted on the basis of three factors. No1 the cellphone ping placed him at the scene of the kidnapping. No2 the DNA on the matches found outside the victim's flat and No3 the failure to initially account for his whereabouts on the day.
Some questions Daisy.
Q1 Did Paul have a criminal history, any prior convictions?
Q2 Were the co accused asked to corroborate the reason why Paul attended the scene and if not, why not?
Q4 Is there any witness to the fact that Paul received the call asking him to attend a breakdown?
Q5 How is it possible that Paul didn't see the others in the back of the Chrysler?
Q6 Was there any Crown evidence that Paul came into some unaccounted for money immediately after the murder?
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I find your comments offensive and you have obviously not studied the case. Paul was repairing a car and had no idea what was happening in the flats behind him. How on earth can this be far fetched?
Also, as regards the match evidence, he asked Alleyne for a torch to look under the car but Alleyne only had a box of matches. Paul struck two of these and being the tidy person that he is, replaced the spent matches in the box instead of throwing them on the ground. These matches were therefore present in the box when the genuine suspects left the box outside the flat.
Referring to his police interview - if I was an officer and asked a suspect what they were doing on a given day and time ten months earlier without allowing them to consult their diary and they were immediately able to recall where they were, I would be extremely suspicious. We all have busy lives and most of us can't remember what we were doing last week, never mind ten months previously.
These are just your opinions and are not substantiated. Paul is entirely innocent and ten years later is unable to come to terms with being charged with a crime he knows nothing about.
You're right. Once I read his explanation for the match evidence, I couldn't see the point of reading on any further.
Daisy, if ever I find myself up on a murder charge, I sincerely hope that you're on the jury!
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You're right. Once I read his explanation for the match evidence, I couldn't see the point of reading on any further.
Daisy, if ever I find myself up on a murder charge, I sincerely hope that you're on the jury!
Crawling underneath an unknown car and striking matches (and putting them back neatly into the box)? What if there had been a fuel leak? Who is this bloke, Captain Scarlet?
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It really doesn't matter what I think, does it? The jury, who were privy to ALL the information, didn't believe him either!
So the jury were privy to all the information? You were at the trial were you? Please don't make yourself look stupid by coming out with sweeping statements and no facts to back it up. If all trials were conducted in an honest manner then this forum wouldn't exist. I will be explaining all in my reply to John. In the meantime if you are going to argue the point then at least come up with something solid to back it up.
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It seems that Paul was convicted on the basis of three factors. No1 the cellphone ping placed him at the scene of the kidnapping. No2 the DNA on the matches found outside the victim's flat and No3 the failure to initially account for his whereabouts on the day.
Some questions Daisy.
Q1 Did Paul have a criminal history, any prior convictions?
Q2 Were the co accused asked to corroborate the reason why Paul attended the scene and if not, why not?
Q4 Is there any witness to the fact that Paul received the call asking him to attend a breakdown?
Q5 How is it possible that Paul didn't see the others in the back of the Chrysler?
Q6 Was there any Crown evidence that Paul came into some unaccounted for money immediately after the murder?
Q1 I am not aware that Paul has any other convictions. I think I am correct in saying that with all trials, a defendants past criminal convictions or previous good character is never disclosed in order that they may have a fair trial.
Q2. The co-defendents all answered "no comment" at police interviews and all elected not to give evidence at trial so were unable to be questioned. That speaks volumes to me. However, since then Alleyne has disclosed to a prisoner that Paul had no knowledge of the kidnapping or murder. David Quarry has also said he wishes to speak out. When Paul has his next appeal then maybe his Barrister will be able to obtain access to these individuals.
Q4. Witnesses were not called to verify Paul's story. Paul later found out that the evidence against him was so thin that the Crown provided him with a top PROSECUTION BARRISTER to defend him. He agreed with the prosecution pre-trial that he would notcall vital witnesses in order to obtain a conviction.
Q5. The Prosecution say that others were in the Chrysler but no one else has confirmed this. More lies to help an innocent man.
Q6. There was no evidence that Paul received any money after the murder. Another incorrect assumption by the Prosecution.
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Q5 should read "more lies to help convict an innocent man"
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So the jury were privy to all the information? You were at the trial were you? Please don't make yourself look stupid by coming out with sweeping statements and no facts to back it up. If all trials were conducted in an honest manner then this forum wouldn't exist. I will be explaining all in my reply to John. In the meantime if you are going to argue the point then at least come up with something solid to back it up.
What new information has come to light, that was not put before the jury?
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So the jury were privy to all the information? You were at the trial were you? Please don't make yourself look stupid by coming out with sweeping statements and no facts to back it up. If all trials were conducted in an honest manner then this forum wouldn't exist. I will be explaining all in my reply to John. In the meantime if you are going to argue the point then at least come up with something solid to back it up.
I'm afraid that the onus is on you to provide something solid to back up your claims. Good luck with that! I'm all ears. @)(++(*
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The 1st August 2014 will mark eleven years since the end of trial. I find it strange that Alleyne and Quarry have yet to make a statement in relation to Paul Bush. It's a simple process, all they need do is telephone their lawyer.
Another point I missed earlier, was the telephone records of the Alleyne brothers and Paul Bush checked for prior contact?
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Daisy...best of luck!
You've just reminded me why I never bother reading your posts. ?{)(**
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Daisy, forgive me if I have offended you, it was certainly not my intention.
You must expect your claims to be challenged though.
Perhaps it is just my cynical nature.
If what Paul is saying, is correct, then he is unlucky in the extreme.
The car being used in a kidnap and murder just happens to break down, right at the very moment the crime is to be committed.
The match he carefully replaced in the matchbox, is deposited by another outside the victims flat.
Having remedied the immediate problem and having got the car going, why start looking for other problems? Especially as he didn't have adequate light to do so. "Just another day in the life of a car repair man" says the website. What self respecting car repair man would go out on a job, in the dark with no light, and search for a leak of unknown origin with the aid of a naked flame?
Having said that, I don't think that the charge of murder is as clear cut, as that of kidnap.
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I find your comments offensive and you have obviously not studied the case. Paul was repairing a car and had no idea what was happening in the flats behind him. How on earth can this be far fetched?
Also, as regards the match evidence, he asked Alleyne for a torch to look under the car but Alleyne only had a box of matches. Paul struck two of these and being the tidy person that he is, replaced the spent matches in the box instead of throwing them on the ground. These matches were therefore present in the box when the genuine suspects left the box outside the flat.
Referring to his police interview - if I was an officer and asked a suspect what they were doing on a given day and time ten months earlier without allowing them to consult their diary and they were immediately able to recall where they were, I would be extremely suspicious. We all have busy lives and most of us can't remember what we were doing last week, never mind ten months previously.
These are just your opinions and are not substantiated. Paul is entirely innocent and ten years later is unable to come to terms with being charged with a crime he knows nothing about.
It's not as clear cut as Paul not being able to remember, what he did on a particular day, many months before.
He was able to remember certain details but not others. He remembered being there but failed to recall laying under a vehicle, striking matches, looking for a leak.
I wonder if his recollection of events became complete, only once he was presented with the matchstick evidence?
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A few days after the kidnapping Alleyne contacts Paul to ask him if he wants to buy the Chrysler. Paul meets up with him but decides that the price he is asking is too high and does not buy it. During conversation it torns out that Alleyne is planning to drive over to South Wales and Paul had a friend who needed to get over to Cardiff so he arranges for them to get a lift with Alleyne. This results in a number of phone calls between the two. After this there are no records of any calls between the two for the next 10 months. The Crown allege that this was Paul getting paid for 'the job'.
I have copied and pasted the above, from the Free Paul Bush website.
Any thoughts?
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I was a bit confused when I read the website to be honest with you, maybe I need to read it again.
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I was a bit confused when I read the website to be honest with you, maybe I need to read it again.
Me too, it says he is serving a 25 year sentence but it was set at a minimum tariff of 17 years with deduction for time already spent in custody.
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Daisy, forgive me if I have offended you, it was certainly not my intention.
You must expect your claims to be challenged though.
Perhaps it is just my cynical nature.
If what Paul is saying, is correct, then he is unlucky in the extreme.
The car being used in a kidnap and murder just happens to break down, right at the very moment the crime is to be committed.
The match he carefully replaced in the matchbox, is deposited by another outside the victims flat.
Having remedied the immediate problem and having got the car going, why start looking for other problems? Especially as he didn't have adequate light to do so. "Just another day in the life of a car repair man" says the website. What self respecting car repair man would go out on a job, in the dark with no light, and search for a leak of unknown origin with the aid of a naked flame?
Having said that, I don't think that the charge of murder is as clear cut, as that of kidnap.
Yes Sika you did offend me but I think you now appreciate that you have been unkind and thoughtless. Just think how you would feel if one of your relations was in this position. I appeal for you to show some compassion. Paul has suffered bouts of depression as a result of being convicted of a crime he knows nothing about. I have no problem listening to other views but please stop making random statements with nothing to back it up.
Just look at this another way. If you were in the middle of committing a crime would you want the RAC turning up with all lights flashing? This is where Paul came in, being a one man band. Most of his business came from word of mouth and by attending a repair this could have led to other business. There was no danger using a match as the car was not running. By being tidy and putting the matches back in the box, Paul was totally unaware of the implications. If he was guilty he would have disposed of these another way. There is a question mark about this as the DNA was low count DNA and prior to the police finding the matches which had been outside the flat, the weather had been windy and raining with an open corrider in front of the flats.
I still fail to understand why Paul has been convicted of murder when the court accepts that he took no part in the murder.
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The 1st August 2014 will mark eleven years since the end of trial. I find it strange that Alleyne and Quarry have yet to make a statement in relation to Paul Bush. It's a simple process, all they need do is telephone their lawyer.
Another point I missed earlier, was the telephone records of the Alleyne brothers and Paul Bush checked for prior contact?
I am trying to find out why Alleyne and Quarry have not made a statement but it is not that easy. I will come back to you when I have had a word with the legal experts.
Paul was friendly with Ralph Alleyne so there were bound to be calls between them prior to the murder. However he had never met his brother before going to repair the car and had never had contact with him before.
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A few days after the kidnapping Alleyne contacts Paul to ask him if he wants to buy the Chrysler. Paul meets up with him but decides that the price he is asking is too high and does not buy it. During conversation it torns out that Alleyne is planning to drive over to South Wales and Paul had a friend who needed to get over to Cardiff so he arranges for them to get a lift with Alleyne. This results in a number of phone calls between the two. After this there are no records of any calls between the two for the next 10 months. The Crown allege that this was Paul getting paid for 'the job'.
I have copied and pasted the above, from the Free Paul Bush website.
Any thoughts?
Yes, I have spoken to Paul about this matter. A fews days later, Paul was with a female friend who was discussing the fact that she was going to Wales to visit her boyfriend. It was then he received the call about buying the car. Alleyne mentioned that he was going to Wales and this is when Paul mentioned that his friend was travelling in the next day or so. He offered to give her a lift to save her using public transport.
Also does it not occur to you that having a car which had been used in a kidnapping, he may have been keen to sell it in order to distance himself from it? Again, if Paul had been guilty surely he would have helped by buying the car but he wasn't interested and this is why they never had contact again.
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Me too, it says he is serving a 25 year sentence but it was set at a minimum tariff of 17 years with deduction for time already spent in custody.
I am confused about the sentence and so is Paul. He has been given a MINIMUM of 17 years but he feels that he will serve a longer sentence as he refuses to attend any offender management courses. He knows he is innocent and will not jump through hoops. He would rather die in prison that admit to something he hasn't done. Prison is made very difficult for those who maintain innocence but Paul has principles and will not waiver.
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I am confused about the sentence and so is Paul. He has been given a MINIMUM of 17 years but he feels that he will serve a longer sentence as he refuses to attend any offender management courses. He knows he is innocent and will not jump through hoops. He would rather die in prison that admit to something he hasn't done. Prison is made very difficult for those who maintain innocence but Paul has principles and will not waiver.
By my reckoning if he keeps out of trouble he will be eligible for parole in the Spring of 2020 assuming of course that he doesn't win his freedom in the meantime. Which HMP is he in Daisy?
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Yes, I have spoken to Paul about this matter. A fews days later, Paul was with a female friend who was discussing the fact that she was going to Wales to visit her boyfriend. It was then he received the call about buying the car. Alleyne mentioned that he was going to Wales and this is when Paul mentioned that his friend was travelling in the next day or so. He offered to give her a lift to save her using public transport.
Also does it not occur to you that having a car which had been used in a kidnapping, he may have been keen to sell it in order to distance himself from it? Again, if Paul had been guilty surely he would have helped by buying the car but he wasn't interested and this is why they never had contact again.
Will this girl confirm all of this Daisy and if so I suggest Paul's lawyers get a statement pronto.
Where is this Chrysler? I assume it was dusted for finger prints at the time and if not why not?
Did they find any of the murdered girls possessions and check them again for Paul's finger prints or DNA?
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If I'm not still confused, he might be in Swaleside.
I do have issues with matches being used to 'inspect' a car engine, especially when I worked in a petrol station and a woman came in and asked for a lighter because her petrol cap had frozen on. The whole shop stopped and watched her when I said "No love, try Sainsbury's over there" and she went.
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Readers might find this link of interest...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3132687.stm
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If I'm not still confused, he might be in Swaleside.
I do have issues with matches being used to 'inspect' a car engine, especially when I worked in a petrol station and a woman came in and asked for a lighter because her petrol cap had frozen on. The whole shop stopped and watched her when I said "No love, try Sainsbury's over there" and she went.
Possibly it was a diesel Chrysler Voyager, Daisy should know. Diesel is not as flammable as petrol.
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By my reckoning if he keeps out of trouble he will be eligible for parole in the Spring of 2020 assuming of course that he doesn't win his freedom in the meantime. Which HMP is he in Daisy?
He is in HMP Swaleside.
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Will this girl confirm all of this Daisy and if so I suggest Paul's lawyers get a statement pronto.
Where is this Chrysler? I assume it was dusted for finger prints at the time and if not why not?
Did they find any of the murdered girls possessions and check them again for Paul's finger prints or DNA?
She testified in court but I haven't be able to obtain a transcript of the trial to know exactly what was said. The courts don't make these readily available. The Chrysler was put into a compound and I am not sure what happened to it after the trial. I am sure it was dusted but Paul never ever got into the car. It was accepted in court that Paul was not physically complicit in the murder so there would not be fingerprint or DNA evidence present in the car.
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Possibly it was a diesel Chrysler Voyager, Daisy should know. Diesel is not as flammable as petrol.
I am not sure if it was petrol or diesel but he looked underneath the car, not in the engine and as the car wasn't running there wasn't a risk of fire. However, I am only a woman so don't know much about the mechanical side of things!
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I still fail to understand why Paul has been convicted of murder when the court accepts that he took no part in the murder.
Paul received the lowest tariff sentence (17 yrs) because the judge accepted that he was not directly involved in the murder.
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I have been to visit Paul this weekend and he is in good spirits. Work is being done in preparation for another appeal. This may be able to be fast tracked as he was totally let down by the system at his first appeal being represented by a bogus lawyer who failed to raise all the relevant points and is now serving a lengthy prison sentence.
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Is the CCRC reviewing the case Daisy?
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Is he contesting both the kidnap and murder convictions?
If he is contesting the kidnap, on what grounds?
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Is the CCRC reviewing the case Daisy?
No. I think that in view of Paul's exceptional case and the farce of his appeal, this may be able to be referred directly to the Court of Appeal.
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Is he contesting both the kidnap and murder convictions?
If he is contesting the kidnap, on what grounds?
It would be inappropriate to discuss anything I know about the impending appeal. Also Paul's QC would not reveal what the grounds of the appeal will be in advance. Rest assured as soon as I am able to give you any information or know the date of the appeal I will be posting details.
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It would be inappropriate to discuss anything I know about the impending appeal. Also Paul's QC would not reveal what the grounds of the appeal will be in advance. Rest assured as soon as I am able to give you any information or know the date of the appeal I will be posting details.
Thanks for your response, Daisy.
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I have been to visit Paul this weekend and he is in good spirits. Work is being done in preparation for another appeal. This may be able to be fast tracked as he was totally let down by the system at his first appeal being represented by a bogus lawyer who failed to raise all the relevant points and is now serving a lengthy prison sentence.
I wasn't aware you were involved in so many cases Daisy and that you visited so many prisons
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I notice the www.freepaulbush.com site is down Daisy, any particular reason?
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How can one find out if a prisoner has been released? I am no longer in contact with Paul Bush but I remember his date for release was August 2020. I would be interested to know if he was released as he maintained innocence and I wonder if this went against him.
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How can one find out if a prisoner has been released? I am no longer in contact with Paul Bush but I remember his date for release was August 2020. I would be interested to know if he was released as he maintained innocence and I wonder if this went against him.
Try enquiring with the prison service or at the one where you last wrote to him?... https://www.gov.uk/find-prisoner (https://www.gov.uk/find-prisoner)