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Offline The General

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4320 on: April 23, 2019, 02:05:53 PM »
Absolutely. She would have been lighter and therefore easier to lift from her bed and carry away, through limited vocabulary would have had less likely  to alert strangers to her true identity and also would have had less memory of her former life as time went by....and of course she was a younger, mirror image of Madeleine.
All of those reasons are valid. I suppose trying to put myself in to the thought processes of an abductor, maybe Madeleine would kick up a fuss when disturbed, so you'd have to take her, but surely she'd be kicking and screaming. You'd have to literally park right outside and bundle her in to the vehicle very quickly and then beat a hasty retreat.
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4321 on: April 23, 2019, 03:58:03 PM »
All of those reasons are valid. I suppose trying to put myself in to the thought processes of an abductor, maybe Madeleine would kick up a fuss when disturbed, so you'd have to take her, but surely she'd be kicking and screaming. You'd have to literally park right outside and bundle her in to the vehicle very quickly and then beat a hasty retreat.

Ever tried to negotiate with a child of Amelie's age?

I think the younger child would have created quite a disturbance ... she was at the age when children can make quite a noise.

The older child could be frozen by fear having a better grasp that something untoward was happening and unable to make any noise at all ... or she may have been told she was being taken to her parents ...but some sort of communication was possible.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4322 on: April 23, 2019, 04:30:05 PM »
So why not Amelie?  Any thoughts?
Unless you are an abductor or molester of children I don’t really think it’s possible to give an answer to that question, as normal logic doesn’t necessarily apply.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4323 on: April 23, 2019, 04:46:41 PM »

If all of the children had been sedated by the Abductor, no problem.

Amelie?  Nappy changing and baby food issues while in transit.  And it wouldn't be a good idea to separate Twins from an emotional point of view.

Plus, mayhap someone wanted a child of a particular age.

Questions will be welcome.  I will answer them if I can.  So let's not be silly.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4324 on: April 23, 2019, 05:16:04 PM »

Paedophile, anaesthetist child abductor man.

Enters the apartment, somehow, sedates the 3 children, wastes time messing around with the window & shutters then makes off with Maddie on foot.

Right'o.


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Offline faithlilly

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4325 on: April 23, 2019, 06:02:54 PM »
Ever tried to negotiate with a child of Amelie's age?

I think the younger child would have created quite a disturbance ... she was at the age when children can make quite a noise.

The older child could be frozen by fear having a better grasp that something untoward was happening and unable to make any noise at all ... or she may have been told she was being taken to her parents ...but some sort of communication was possible.

I have a step-granddaughter who is Madeleine’s age when she disappeared and she’d create merry hell if a stranger tried to carry her off, no matter what the abductor told her.....much like Madeleine’s grandmother said Madeleine would.
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Offline The General

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4326 on: April 23, 2019, 07:11:42 PM »
Paedophile, anaesthetist child abductor man.

Enters the apartment, somehow, sedates the 3 children, wastes time messing around with the window & shutters then makes off with Maddie on foot.

Right'o.
I mean, now that you put it like that......
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4327 on: April 23, 2019, 08:35:04 PM »
I have a step-granddaughter who is Madeleine’s age when she disappeared and she’d create merry hell if a stranger tried to carry her off, no matter what the abductor told her.....much like Madeleine’s grandmother said Madeleine would.
You really have no idea how she would react in the circumstances, just like the people who claim a child carried off by an abductor would scream the place down.  Did Alesha McPhail?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4328 on: April 28, 2019, 10:50:53 PM »
'Kate McCann was MI5 spy': Portuguese newspaper makes crazy allegation that missing Madeleine's mother was member of security services
Kate McCann was a secret MI5 agent when her daughter Madeleine McCann went missing, it has been outrageously claimed.

A Portuguese newspaper linked anguished Kate, 51, to the UK's counter-intelligence service in a new slur in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of the youngster's unsolved disappearance.

A McCan family spokesperson, addressing the claims, said: 'These are absolutely absurd and ridiculous allegations, which Madeleine's parents are certain no one in their right mind would even consider believing.

'It is unmitigated garble and yet more nonsense they are having to endure at a very painful and difficult time for them.'

Veteran journalist Jose Antonio Saraiva fed the wild conspiracy theories surrounding the mystery by alleging a female doctor had contacted him to insist Madeleine's disappearance was linked to her parents' 'secret activity' because of her mum's 'suspected' MI5 membership.

Kate (pictured with husband Gerry McCann) has been wildly accused of being a member of the UK's counter-intelligence service in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of their daughter's unsolved disappearance
Kate (pictured with husband Gerry McCann) has been wildly accused of being a member of the UK's counter-intelligence service in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of their daughter's unsolved disappearance
And he gave the hair-brained idea oxygen in Sol - the weekly national Portuguese newspaper he founded nearly 13 years ago - by claiming it might explain Gordon Brown's decision to 'dispatch' then-British Ambassador John Buck to Praia da Luz after the youngster vanished from the McCanns' Algarve holiday apartment.

Disgraced ex-Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral, who features heavily in the new Netflix documentary on the Madeleine McCann case, claimed last year MI5 spies helped to cover up her death and disappearance.

Amaral, the original lead investigator in the case before his October 2007 sacking for criticising the British police, said British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement' in an Australian documentary which aired last April.

The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann: On Netflix from March 15th


Jose Antonio Saraiva, who wrote the piece for newspaper Sol, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, but also singled out husband Gerry as a potential spy
Jose Antonio Saraiva, who wrote the piece for newspaper Sol, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, but also singled out husband Gerry as a potential spy
Lisbon-born Saraiva, who trained as an architect before becoming a journalist, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, although husband Gerry was also singled out as a a potential spy.

Writing in Sol, which sells to thousands of copies every week, he fuelled the hurtful claim and wrongly identified Gerry and former Prime Minister Gordon Brown as old schoolmates.

Saraiva writes: 'This would explain the immediate dispatch to Portugal of a representative of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and future Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the May 3 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz. Despite several international police investigations, the whereabouts of the missing youngster remain unknown
Madeleine McCann disappeared on the May 3 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz. Despite several international police investigations, the whereabouts of the missing youngster remain unknown
'It was said that Brown did it because he was Gerry's schoolmate. But this explanation doesn't wash.

'The English are very formal and there's not the cronyism there that characterises southern Europe.

'A minister doesn't send an official representative to find out about the disappearance of a little girl because he went to school with her father.'

Gerry McCann and Gordon Brown never attended the same school or university, but the ex-PM is known to the McCann's family through links to one of his sisters.

Brown went to Kirkcaldy West Primary School and High School before beginning a long academic life at Edinburgh University, whereas Gerry McCann went to a primary in Glasgow, Holyrood Secondary School and Glasgow University on the other side of the country.

Kate and Gerry McCann have spoken in the past about the hurt that speculation and conspiracy theories have caused the family.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said their refusal to take part in new Netflix series 'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' was based on their belief it may encourage conspiracy theorists and would do nothing to help with the ongoing search for her.

In making reference to the theories thrown about online, he told This Morning last month 'the worst of human nature' was spread across social media.

Kate McCann insisted from the outset her daughter had been abducted and she and her husband took Goncalo Amaral to court over his claims in controversial 2008 book 'The Truth of the Lie' that they had covered up her accidental death in their holiday apartment.

Mr Mitchell revealed last year in an interview one of the 'most ridiculous' conspiracy theories he had ever heard was that Madeleine was 'born as the result of a government cloning project'.

Gerry McCann said two years ago of the hurtful fake accusations: 'I'm sure it is a very small minority of people who spend their time doing it, but it has totally inhibited what we do.'
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Well I guess as there’s no proof Kate isn’t a spy and it does appear in a highly esteemed Portuguese newspaper not remotely like the Sun we should not dismiss this claim out of hand, right folks? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4329 on: April 30, 2019, 10:51:39 PM »
'Kate McCann was MI5 spy': Portuguese newspaper makes crazy allegation that missing Madeleine's mother was member of security services
Kate McCann was a secret MI5 agent when her daughter Madeleine McCann went missing, it has been outrageously claimed.

A Portuguese newspaper linked anguished Kate, 51, to the UK's counter-intelligence service in a new slur in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of the youngster's unsolved disappearance.

A McCan family spokesperson, addressing the claims, said: 'These are absolutely absurd and ridiculous allegations, which Madeleine's parents are certain no one in their right mind would even consider believing.

'It is unmitigated garble and yet more nonsense they are having to endure at a very painful and difficult time for them.'

Veteran journalist Jose Antonio Saraiva fed the wild conspiracy theories surrounding the mystery by alleging a female doctor had contacted him to insist Madeleine's disappearance was linked to her parents' 'secret activity' because of her mum's 'suspected' MI5 membership.

Kate (pictured with husband Gerry McCann) has been wildly accused of being a member of the UK's counter-intelligence service in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of their daughter's unsolved disappearance
Kate (pictured with husband Gerry McCann) has been wildly accused of being a member of the UK's counter-intelligence service in the run-up to the 12th anniversary of their daughter's unsolved disappearance
And he gave the hair-brained idea oxygen in Sol - the weekly national Portuguese newspaper he founded nearly 13 years ago - by claiming it might explain Gordon Brown's decision to 'dispatch' then-British Ambassador John Buck to Praia da Luz after the youngster vanished from the McCanns' Algarve holiday apartment.

Disgraced ex-Portuguese police chief Goncalo Amaral, who features heavily in the new Netflix documentary on the Madeleine McCann case, claimed last year MI5 spies helped to cover up her death and disappearance.

Amaral, the original lead investigator in the case before his October 2007 sacking for criticising the British police, said British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement' in an Australian documentary which aired last April.

The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann: On Netflix from March 15th


Jose Antonio Saraiva, who wrote the piece for newspaper Sol, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, but also singled out husband Gerry as a potential spy
Jose Antonio Saraiva, who wrote the piece for newspaper Sol, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, but also singled out husband Gerry as a potential spy
Lisbon-born Saraiva, who trained as an architect before becoming a journalist, said a female genetics doctor he named only as H. Santos had identified Kate McCann as an MI5 agent and claimed it explained her daughter's disappearance, although husband Gerry was also singled out as a a potential spy.

Writing in Sol, which sells to thousands of copies every week, he fuelled the hurtful claim and wrongly identified Gerry and former Prime Minister Gordon Brown as old schoolmates.

Saraiva writes: 'This would explain the immediate dispatch to Portugal of a representative of the Chancellor of the Exchequer and future Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Madeleine McCann disappeared on the May 3 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz. Despite several international police investigations, the whereabouts of the missing youngster remain unknown
Madeleine McCann disappeared on the May 3 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz. Despite several international police investigations, the whereabouts of the missing youngster remain unknown
'It was said that Brown did it because he was Gerry's schoolmate. But this explanation doesn't wash.

'The English are very formal and there's not the cronyism there that characterises southern Europe.

'A minister doesn't send an official representative to find out about the disappearance of a little girl because he went to school with her father.'

Gerry McCann and Gordon Brown never attended the same school or university, but the ex-PM is known to the McCann's family through links to one of his sisters.

Brown went to Kirkcaldy West Primary School and High School before beginning a long academic life at Edinburgh University, whereas Gerry McCann went to a primary in Glasgow, Holyrood Secondary School and Glasgow University on the other side of the country.

Kate and Gerry McCann have spoken in the past about the hurt that speculation and conspiracy theories have caused the family.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said their refusal to take part in new Netflix series 'The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann' was based on their belief it may encourage conspiracy theorists and would do nothing to help with the ongoing search for her.

In making reference to the theories thrown about online, he told This Morning last month 'the worst of human nature' was spread across social media.

Kate McCann insisted from the outset her daughter had been abducted and she and her husband took Goncalo Amaral to court over his claims in controversial 2008 book 'The Truth of the Lie' that they had covered up her accidental death in their holiday apartment.

Mr Mitchell revealed last year in an interview one of the 'most ridiculous' conspiracy theories he had ever heard was that Madeleine was 'born as the result of a government cloning project'.

Gerry McCann said two years ago of the hurtful fake accusations: 'I'm sure it is a very small minority of people who spend their time doing it, but it has totally inhibited what we do.'
—————

Well I guess as there’s no proof Kate isn’t a spy and it does appear in a highly esteemed Portuguese newspaper not remotely like the Sun we should not dismiss this claim out of hand, right folks?

Would Kate make a good candidate as a spy? well she knows how not to answer questions- under duress...

I suppose reading rubbish like this  is no different than reading the rubbish in Kates serialised book in the sun...same ole same ole
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Offline jassi

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4330 on: May 01, 2019, 08:37:06 AM »
Perhaps she could play the role of Ms Honeytrap. Then again, maybe not.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline The General

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4331 on: May 01, 2019, 09:13:15 AM »
Are we still posting links to The s..m? Can't we agree on a moratorium?

Kate McCann spy.......ludicrous.

But the timing of release is designed for maximum impact - and it seems to be working.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4332 on: May 01, 2019, 09:16:08 AM »
Are we still posting links to The s..m? Can't we agree on a moratorium?

Kate McCann spy.......ludicrous.

But the timing of release is designed for maximum impact - and it seems to be working.
Working in what way?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline The General

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4333 on: May 01, 2019, 09:30:00 AM »
Working in what way?
Well we're talking about it right now. So whether we think it's ludicrous or not, whether the sources are credible or not and whether the S*n is a pile if sh** or not, we're talking about it.
No doubt the vitriol and support has been stirred in proportion too.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #4334 on: May 01, 2019, 10:18:09 AM »
Well we're talking about it right now. So whether we think it's ludicrous or not, whether the sources are credible or not and whether the S*n is a pile if sh** or not, we're talking about it.
No doubt the vitriol and support has been stirred in proportion too.
I think three people and their dog talking about this nonsense on a forum such as this hardly constitutes "working" and I'm not sure to what end you think it would be working anyway, apart from as clickbait which is clearly all it is.  Perhaps that's what you meant. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly