General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Robittybob1]

I complained to John about members blocking Moderators.  OK Davel and I could have discussed much of the issue off the forum via personal messages (PM) but I was blocked.

Most other forums that was considered an offence to block a moderator.   OK how do you feel about that?  Should you be allowed to block a moderator?

[Robittybob1]

I note all that you say.
However it is my opinion that moderation is not fairly applied.
I appreciate it is a difficult and thankless task.
That does not alter my opinion that cites are demanded from certain posters but not from others with the same consistency.
 
It is not a level playing field!

I have studied this case for 3 years now so most things that you think require cites I probably know or have seen already.  I do ask for cites, and recently when I asked for a cite I followed that up with a PM and got responses from the people I requested cites from.  OK Davel has me blocked remember so I can't PM him to track the progress of the cite request.

If you think something requires a cite ask for it yourself.

[The General]

Did you spend the time improving ... then you posted that AWFUL post about Davel?  Now removed, thank goodness, but not until after my complaint.

And, no I am not going to repeat it.  I suggest that anyone who does should be sued.



You have done more than your fair share of bullying Davel, no wonder if he has got a wee bit ragged around the edges with such a rabble constantly going at him.  It's Political, and you are too fast and good for them


You won't allow him to make any points without all diving in and trying to destroy him.  They are trying to hide your points and get rid of you


Great fighter is Davel




Good to see you, Erngath, supporting him.  We all should be, if we believe in JUSTICE.  In FREE SPEECH


My guess is that this post will be removed or heavily modified

AIMHO

To be fair it was all a bit ridiculous. I tried to lend some sense to proceedings (I don't have much to give), but it fell on deaf ears. Rob and Dave were on a mission and I think both should have been moderated.
I know it's hard for some to comprehend, but this forum ,and your really important stance on a certain point, is not so important. Squabbling over the nuances of an obscure facet of the Portuguese legal framework with strangers on the internet who you have decided you hate, is futile.

I was guilty of this on a forum about 10 years ago, until I had a Damasean epiphany when I decided I wanted to physically have an actual real life fight with my online nemesis - long story curtailed - I logged out, switched the computer off and never went back to the forum - I was trying to find this guys home address to go round there to fill him in.
We all think we're clever. We're all perfect and we're all always right. We get it.

[Robittybob1]

To be fair it was all a bit ridiculous. I tried to lend some sense to proceedings (I don't have much to give), but it fell on deaf ears. Rob and Dave were on a mission and I think both should have been moderated.
I know it's hard for some to comprehend, but this forum ,and your really important stance on a certain point, is not so important. Squabbling over the nuances of an obscure facet of the Portuguese legal framework with strangers on the internet who you have decided you hate, is futile.

I was guilty of this on a forum about 10 years ago, until I had a Damasean epiphany when I decided I wanted to physically have an actual real life fight with my online nemesis - long story curtailed - I logged out, switched the computer off and never went back to the forum - I was trying to find this guys home address to go round there to fill him in.
We all think we're clever. We're all perfect and we're all always right. We get it.

Well it is one thing I'll never come across as, as being perfect or always right.   I treat this case as something to learn about.  You and I can learn together. 

But when it comes to matters of moderation, I moderate, and even then the Admin can reverse my moderation decisions, but that is how it goes.

[The General]

Well it is one thing I'll never come across as, as being perfect or always right.   I treat this case as something to learn about.  You and I can learn together. 

But when it comes to matters of moderation, I moderate, and even then the Admin can reverse my moderation decisions, but that is how it goes.

Everyone here can see that my knowledge is lacking, which I try to cover with levity and humour. Yes I've read everything and watched videos, read the books, but there's some here who have trodden this path many times - which is why I sense frustration with my raising rudimentary points. Some have gone and investigated in situ - fair play, I'm not that dedicated.
You put me straight the other day - I'm happy with that, as you say, it's about learning. The ego needs to be told to shut up when it butts in and tells us it's been 'offended'. I still have a pop every now and again, but I'm trying to self-counsel that sh1t out of my behaviour.

[Robittybob1]

Everyone here can see that my knowledge is lacking, which I try to cover with levity and humour. Yes I've read everything and watched videos, read the books, but there's some here who have trodden this path many times - which is why I sense frustration with my raising rudimentary points. Some have gone and investigated in situ - fair play, I'm not that dedicated.
You put me straight the other day - I'm happy with that, as you say, it's about learning. The ego needs to be told to shut up when it butts in and tells us it's been 'offended'. I still have a pop every now and again, but I'm trying to self-counsel that sh1t out of my behaviour.

I was thinking the other day when we had our little moment, I thought of all the people here I relate to you the most as we behave similarly.
 
And just what you talk about above is where I was 2-3 years ago, adjusting and learning.

Now for the last year or so I've been learning the art of moderator.  It is a complex issue and I'm trying to make a difference.
(It was around Christmas 2017 that I was invited to be a moderator.   (So 1.5 years so far).

[Angelo222]

I complained to John about members blocking Moderators.  OK Davel and I could have discussed much of the issue off the forum via personal messages (PM) but I was blocked.

Most other forums that was considered an offence to block a moderator.   OK how do you feel about that?  Should you be allowed to block a moderator?

He can't block you but he can put you on ignore.

[ShiningInLuz]

I complained to John about members blocking Moderators.  OK Davel and I could have discussed much of the issue off the forum via personal messages (PM) but I was blocked.

Most other forums that was considered an offence to block a moderator.   OK how do you feel about that?  Should you be allowed to block a moderator?

Personally, no, I do not think it should be permissible to block a moderator.

[ShiningInLuz]

Everyone here can see that my knowledge is lacking, which I try to cover with levity and humour. Yes I've read everything and watched videos, read the books, but there's some here who have trodden this path many times - which is why I sense frustration with my raising rudimentary points. Some have gone and investigated in situ - fair play, I'm not that dedicated.
You put me straight the other day - I'm happy with that, as you say, it's about learning. The ego needs to be told to shut up when it butts in and tells us it's been 'offended'. I still have a pop every now and again, but I'm trying to self-counsel that sh1t out of my behaviour.

If someone on the forum who has considerable expertise is not willing to help with a basic, much discussed question is unwilling to provide assistance, that is their choice, and I take no issue with that.

However, if someone answers such a request with a curt put-down, I most certainly do take issue with that.

If you check the number of guests on this forum, it is often quite considerable.

So one has to ask oneself, how many of these guests would become active posters if the forum was less abrasive and more helpful?

[The General]

If someone on the forum who has considerable expertise is not willing to help with a basic, much discussed question is unwilling to provide assistance, that is their choice, and I take no issue with that.

However, if someone answers such a request with a curt put-down, I most certainly do take issue with that.

If you check the number of guests on this forum, it is often quite considerable.

So one has to ask oneself, how many of these guests would become active posters if the forum was less abrasive and more helpful?

True. Although I do know that the number of 'guests' will sometimes be up to 70% Googlebots / spiders. Apparently.

[ShiningInLuz]

True. Although I do know that the number of 'guests' will sometimes be up to 70% Googlebots / spiders. Apparently.

Could be.  There are 179 guests at the moment.  That would make around 130 instances of automated data collection.

There is such a thing as bad publicity.

[G-Unit]

Did you spend the time improving ... and you did improve somewhat ... then you posted that AWFUL post about Davel?  Now removed, thank goodness, but not until after my complaint.

And, no I am not going to repeat it.  I suggest that anyone who does should be sued.



Rob, You have done more than your fair share of bullying Davel, no wonder if he has got a wee bit ragged around the edges with such a rabble constantly going at him.  It's Political, and you, Davel, are too fast and good for them


They won't allow Davel to make any points without all diving in and trying to destroy him.  Davel, they are trying to hide your points and get rid of you


Great fighter is Davel




Good to see you, Erngath, supporting him.  We all should be, if we believe in JUSTICE.  In FREE SPEECH and allowing both sides to speak





My guess is that this post will be removed or heavily modified



AIMHO

I don't think you're helping Davel  when you paint him as a victim. He's no shrinking violet and he often reaps what he's sown imo.

[Erngath]

I don't think you're helping Davel  when you paint him as a victim. He's no shrinking violet and he often reaps what he's sown imo.

He is a much valued contributor to the.forum and it will be much.the poorer by.his absence.
In my opinion of course . I doubt you will agree!

I didn't see the.post.which Sadie references.
Did you?

[jassi]

He is a much valued contributor to the.forum and it will be much.the poorer by.his absence.
In my opinion of course . I doubt you will agree!

I didn't see the.post.which Sadie references.
Did you?

Fortunately I have him on ignore, so his presence on here is neither here nor there to me 

[Wonderfulspam]

He is a much valued contributor to the.forum and it will be much.the poorer by.his absence.
In my opinion of course . I doubt you will agree!

I didn't see the.post.which Sadie references.
Did you?

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