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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2015, 10:30:40 PM »
You don't understand that they work as a TEAM to find evidence of death.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
I understand perfectly thanks, however you seem to be of the opinion that Grime can tell his dog when to alert to blood and when not to.  Did Grime ask Eddie to alert to blood in Jersey?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #136 on: May 13, 2015, 10:39:35 PM »
That's right suggestive...not confirmed...he goes on to say there are several reasons for the alert...that's the expert...

amaral says the alerts confrm Maddie died in the apartment..he's telling lies

The police confirms the source. Eddie finds dead bodies which is proof or detects cadaver scent which suggests a dead body without proof.  The police have to prove the source of it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #137 on: May 13, 2015, 10:49:33 PM »
The police confirms the source. Eddie finds dead bodies which is proof or detects cadaver scent which suggests a dead body without proof.  The police have to prove the source of it.

have you ever heard of cross contamination as described by Grime

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #138 on: May 13, 2015, 10:54:19 PM »
Lichen on widow-sills is a myth debunked in the myths debunked section.

Algae in the water, seemingly hitting Luz but not nearby, that is very interesting but not on topic, so I shall say no more.


Thank you Shining. You are absolutely correct....We do appear to be slipping Off Topic here.

However it is essential to drag up all the previous dog alert issues to re-established the importance of the dog alert indications, compared to the case as made by Mr Amaral regarding the reliability of the dog's alerts.

Once done(if ever) we can all get back to.......................The Topic.

 
"Amaral and the dogs"
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #139 on: May 13, 2015, 10:56:25 PM »

Thank you Shining. You are absolutely correct....We do appear to be slipping Off Topic here.

However it is essential to drag up all the previous dog alert issues to re-established the importance of the dog alert indications, compared to the case as made by Mr Amaral regarding the reliability of the dog's alerts.

Once done(if ever) we can all get back to.......................The Topic.

 
"Amaral and the dogs"
Amaral's understanding of the dogs' alerts is about as comprehensive as Pathfinder's, unfortunately,

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2015, 10:57:09 PM »
The police confirms the source. Eddie finds dead bodies which is proof or detects cadaver scent which suggests a dead body without proof.  The police have to prove the source of it.

As the police have told us Maddie may still be alive they have told us the source is not Maddie

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2015, 11:00:18 PM »
I understand perfectly thanks, however you seem to be of the opinion that Grime can tell his dog when to alert to blood and when not to.  Did Grime ask Eddie to alert to blood in Jersey?

Eddie will alert to blood if he's doing a close inspection search of a vehicle for example. Keela did that inside the hire car. Eddie was put inside the burned out car in the Harron case and found the DNA match that put her killer away. He also found the body.

The search of suspects 'burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence. A search by the E.V.R.D. identified a position in the rear passenger foot well where the dog alerted to the presence of human material. A sample
was taken and when analysed revealed the victims' DNA.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #142 on: May 13, 2015, 11:03:15 PM »
Eddie will alert to blood if he's doing a close inspection search of a vehicle for example. Keela did that inside the hire car. Eddie was put inside the burned out car in the Harron case and found the DNA match that put her killer away. He also found the body.

The search of suspects 'burnt out vehicle' by forensic scientists did not reveal any evidence. A search by the E.V.R.D. identified a position in the rear passenger foot well where the dog alerted to the presence of human material. A sample
was taken and when analysed revealed the victims' DNA.
Thanks for not answering my question directly.  Here's another question for you to avoid answering: when will Eddie NOT alert to traces of blood?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #143 on: May 13, 2015, 11:05:20 PM »
As the police have told us Maddie may still be alive they have told us the source is not Maddie

Yes that's because she hasn't been found but they were searching for her body last year.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #144 on: May 13, 2015, 11:08:52 PM »
Thanks for not answering my question directly.  Here's another question for you to avoid answering: when will Eddie NOT alert to traces of blood?

Eddie will alert to blood but Keela only found blood in two places. Eddie alerted many times.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #145 on: May 13, 2015, 11:12:37 PM »
Yes that's because she hasn't been found but they were searching for her body last year.

it means that they don't accept the alerts prove she died in the apartment

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #146 on: May 13, 2015, 11:15:16 PM »
Eddie will alert to blood but Keela only found blood in two places. Eddie alerted many times.
And round in circles we go. 
Eddie will alert to blood - check. 
Eddie alerted to minute traces of blood on tissue - check. 
Eddie did not alert to blood in any place or to any property not McCann related - check. 
So, if Eddie alerts to minute traces of blood (as confimed by Keela) but did not alert to any place or any property not McCann related it is safe to assume that no blood was ever spilt in any other location apart from that pertaining to the McCanns, right?
Question - is that a realistic assumption?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2015, 11:15:24 PM »
it means that they don't accept the alerts prove she died in the apartment

How do you figure that one when the prime suspect was carrying her away in a deep sleep. If she woke and wandered she wouldn't be in a deep sleep. The Smiths believe it was Madeleine and the police were searching close to that sighting.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #148 on: May 13, 2015, 11:17:55 PM »
Eddie will alert to blood but Keela only found blood in two places. Eddie alerted many times.

Eddie alerted to other body fluids apart from blood.  Otherwise how and why did he alert to a semen soaked tissue?
And if that's not a bodily fluid from a live body then I don't know what is.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #149 on: May 13, 2015, 11:19:34 PM »
Eddie alerted to other body fluids apart from blood.  Otherwise how and why did he alert to a semen soaked tissue?
And if that's not a bodily fluid from a live body then I don't know what is.

Yeah the sex tissue had blood on it. Eddie alerts to blood.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.