Amaral and the dogs

[stephen25000]

it has been claimed on here and elsewhere that eddie has never been wrong in 200 cases...that's a lie

Amaral has not suggested there was  a  body in 5a he has stated it as a fact...that's another lie

if you think you can educate me you are deluded

If you post expect to be challenged by those who don't agree with you

Well you said it dave.

It's too late to educate you.

[pathfinder73]

this is what amaral said in his book...this is what his deluded followers believe

From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A. We now have to interview firemen, medical services personnel, previous tenants and employees of the Ocean Club to make sure that no death has taken place in this accommodation, which they confirm. So, we can conclude that the odour discovered is certainly that of Madeleine Beth McCann. (TOTL)

That would be the logical conclusion. If a murder had just happened and you rounded up people seen on the street nearby and brought a cadaver dog in and it barked at one you would conclude that he was probably the murderer.

[Mr Gray]

That would be the logical conclusion. If a murder had just happened and you rounded up people seen on the street nearby and brought a cadaver dog in and it barked at one you would conclude that he was probably the murderer.

no

[ferryman]

That would be the logical conclusion. If a murder had just happened and you rounded up people seen on the street nearby and brought a cadaver dog in and it barked at one you would conclude that he was probably the murderer.

Well, you might ....

[Mr Gray]

That would be the logical conclusion. If a murder had just happened and you rounded up people seen on the street nearby and brought a cadaver dog in and it barked at one you would conclude that he was probably the murderer.

would you be prepared to beat a confession out of him

[pathfinder73]

no

YES unless he worked in a morgue with dead people. To have that odour alerted by the dog he would be arrested on suspicion of murder.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why wouldn't there be a point? Eddie is used to find indications of a death. It really is that simple. Keela is used to find minute forensic traces as back up. There is no need to labour this to kingdom come.

PS, well said GUnit, I didn't see your post, ha!

I'm sorry but I'm not seeing how Keela isn't completely superfluous if what you're saying is correct.  Eddie alerts to a spot, humans do a forensic sweep.  Why bother with Keela in such a scenario?

[Brietta]

Maybe, a touch of hyperbole in reporting, there.

There is an FOI answer somewhere that gives the breakdown of costs of hiring Eddie, and it's nothing like the amounts touted in the press.

We have discussed the situation on many occasions on the forum and the situation regarding the deployment and the payment exceeding the Chief Constables salary debunked every time.

DCI posted ...

Grime claims that in a 6 year period in Britain, Eddie was deployed over 200 times.

This disclosure under Freedom of Information (FOI) indicates just 37 deployments in the 5 year period 2003-2007.

Either Eddie must have had one very busy year or Grime has got his sums wrong.
 
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/20090062
 
Some States in America use human cadavers to train cadaver dogs on what are known as ‘body farms’. Grime claims that Eddie has been trained on such a farm in the States.

An FOI answer to a question I have submitted cited parts of a Personal Development review for the Year 2005-6 when it was stated that Eddie (then aged 5 or 6, and close to retirement) had been to the States for that training. The cited justification was, not that it would improve Eddie’s performance, but that it would “generate some income potential”.
 
Until his last day of service, the daily cost of hiring Eddie was just £10. And no documentation confirming this apparent trip was ever received by SYP.
 
Still, Grime describes both Eddie and Keela as the only “assets” (as he describes them) of their type in the world. Clearly Eddie’s apparent training on a body farm in America wouldn't make him that, because many dogs in America are trained the same, so what would?
Whatever it is, perhaps that is why there are no references to the “Enhanced” Victim Recovery dog status outside Eddie and Grime?
 http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1626.20;wap2

[Mr Gray]

YES unless he worked in a morgue with dead people. To have that odour alerted by the dog he would be arrested on suspicion of murder.

what about if he had sat next to someone who worked in a morgue for 30 mins on the train...never mind he confessed after the torture

[pathfinder73]

what about if he had sat next to someone who worked in a morgue for 30 mins on the train...never mind he confessed after the torture

What if he told you a load of BS. You think they're gonna let him leave? It's ok our cadaver dog alerted to you but you can go 

[Mr Gray]

What if he told you a load of BS. You think they're gonna let him leave? It's ok our cadaver dog alerted to you but you can go 

as I said...beat the truth out of him..

The drug dog alerted to me at Sydney Airport...they told me I could go

[slartibartfast]

this is what amaral said in his book...this is what his deluded followers believe

From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A. We now have to interview firemen, medical services personnel, previous tenants and employees of the Ocean Club to make sure that no death has taken place in this accommodation, which they confirm. So, we can conclude that the odour discovered is certainly that of Madeleine Beth McCann. (TOTL)

Probably a mistranslation. 

[Montclair]

Probably a mistranslation. 

Traslation of: "Conclui-se, então, que aquele odor de cadáver só poderia ser proveniente de uma pessoa: Madeleine McCann"

"It was then concluded that the cadaver odour could only come from one person: Madeleine McCann."

Any police force would come to the same conclusion.

[ferryman]

Traslation of: "Conclui-se, então, que aquele odor de cadáver só poderia ser proveniente de uma pessoa: Madeleine McCann"

"It was then concluded that the cadaver odour could only come from one person: Madeleine McCann."

Any police force would come to the same conclusion.

Except that those representatives of British police forces, present in PdL, didn't.

[Montclair]

Except that those representatives of British police forces, present in PdL, didn't.

What would your "logical" conclusion be? I'm sure that if the dogs had alerted to all things concerned with Robert Murat, you would not criticise them or their trainer in any way.