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ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #900 on: July 13, 2015, 11:41:30 PM »
Stop talking cryptic or in riddkes and not answering posts, its time wasting

Just spit it out

You don't understand.

I'm not surprised ....

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #901 on: July 13, 2015, 11:43:55 PM »
You don't understand.

I'm not surprised ....

Fine but I know YOUR "form" and it isn't honest so excuse me if I try and ask honest questions and get dud answers



ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #904 on: July 14, 2015, 12:01:08 AM »
So?

An example of ground-scenting dogs in action.

From the only police fore (in Britain!) that has them.

The Portuguese didn't! and don't have them.

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #905 on: July 14, 2015, 12:06:13 AM »
An example of ground-scenting dogs in action.

From the only police fore (in Britain!) that has them.

The Portuguese didn't! and don't have them.

I still dont believe you that the portuguese pretended or improvised when in gact fhey had no scent sniffing digs yu wikk hVe to prove this over and  above your own suspicions or beliefs, I hVent got a clue but it doesnt sound right to  me what you are saying

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #906 on: July 14, 2015, 12:10:47 AM »
I still dont believe you that the portuguese pretended or improvised when in gact fhey had no scent sniffing digs yu wikk hVe to prove this over and  above your own suspicions or beliefs, I hVent got a clue but it doesnt sound right to  me what you are saying

Ah well ....

Maybe, when Mark Harrison said the Portuguese deployed air-scenting dogs (the type that track the generic, not the individual and unique) human scent, he was making it all up?

Who knows?

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #907 on: July 14, 2015, 12:33:44 AM »
Ah well ....

Maybe, when Mark Harrison said the Portuguese deployed air-scenting dogs (the type that track the generic, not the individual and unique) human scent, he was making it all up?

Who knows?
So do you think that even hypothetically if the Sol article is true (GNR dog tracked from bedroom to another place in apartment then nowhere) it would be completely meaningless as intelligence?

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #908 on: July 14, 2015, 12:36:36 AM »
Ah well ....

Maybe, when Mark Harrison said the Portuguese deployed air-scenting dogs (the type that track the generic, not the individual and unique) human scent, he was making it all up?

Who knows?

Either you or Harrison didnt know what they were talking about? Probably you?
or was it the Portuguese police again screwing up??? Lyng or whatever else they do for all and sundry to denigrate them

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #909 on: July 14, 2015, 12:44:47 AM »
It's perfectly true. 

Dogs that track a unique and individual ground-scent (of humans) are rare and specialised.  In England there is just one police force (based in Dyfed, Wales) that has them.

The Portuguese didn't have them, but they improvised as best they could.

I (genuinely) applaud their efforts, but their efforts were always in vain.

 @)(++(* That's ironic coming from you.

I am regularly deployed to assist in high profile homicide cases within my portfolio and form a 'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys.
My core role includes the training and operational handling of specialist search dogs in the fields of Human Victim Recovery and Forensic Crime Scene Investigation.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Alun Willams
dog trainer

trainer/advisor on canine detection
alun williams
June 1984 – Present (31 years 2 months)

police dog trainer
dyfed powys police
June 1994 – March 2011 (16 years 10 months)

I am a subject matter expert in the U.K. on the trailing system known as the Scent Article Method. Training canines to follow an individual human scent over every type of terrain. I further developed this system to assist in crime and missing persons throughout the U.K. and Ireland. I managed a dog team that was regularly called to assist in missing persons and matters of serious crime. I have an extensive knowledge of working these dogs in major crime scenes and of forensically obtaining target scents from these scenes to enable the dogs to perform their work. I have worked closely with Martin Grime and Mark Harrison on cases and with our combined expertise became a very efficient team. I now advise certain law enforcement agencies in Switzerland and Germany and in relation to the trailing system and also search and rescue organisations. I have given presentations on this subject both Nationally and Internationally.

https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/alun-willams/91/498/30a
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #910 on: July 14, 2015, 01:06:31 AM »
Ah well ....

Maybe, when Mark Harrison said the Portuguese deployed air-scenting dogs (the type that track the generic, not the individual and unique) human scent, he was making it all up?

Who knows?
Strange, experts say that Lowland Search dogs can track a unique individual's scent by air-scenting.

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #911 on: July 14, 2015, 01:10:13 AM »
seems ferryman is wrong not a poster to rely on,for true facts as if that is news
« Last Edit: July 14, 2015, 01:12:24 AM by mercury »

Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #912 on: July 14, 2015, 01:54:31 AM »
http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm

AIR SCENT DOGS

The air scent dog is the type most frequently encountered.  This dog finds lost people by picking up traces of human scent that are drifting in the air, and looks for the "cone" of scent where it is most concentrated.  This dog will not normally discriminate scents, so there is the possibility of a "false alarm" if other people (searchers, citizens) are nearby.  Airscent dogs work best in situations such as large parks or private lands that are closed at the time, since the dog will home in on any human scent.  The success of an air scent dog will be affected by a number of factors, including wind conditions, air temperature, time of day, terrain, and presence or absence of contamination (auto exhaust, smoke, etc.).  The best conditions for air scent dogs to work are early mornings or late afternoons on cool, cloudy days when there is a light wind.

TRAILING DOGS

The trailing dog is often referred to as a "tracking" dog, although "tracking" and "trailing" are not the same to the purist.  The trailing dog is directed to find a specific person by following minute particles of human tissue or skin cells cast off by the person as he or she travels.  These heavier-than-air particles, which contain this person's scent, will normally be close to the ground or on nearby foliage, so the trailing dog will frequently have its "nose the ground," unlike the air scent dog.

A Bloodhound is typically trained for scent discrimination.  Each dog is usually worked in a harness, on a leash, and given an uncontaminated scent article (such as a piece of clothing) belonging to the missing person.  The dog follows that scent and no other.  At times, the dog may track, following the person's footsteps, or air scent, and home in on the subject's scent.

Field contamination (scent of others) should not affect his work.  He should be able to trail scents on pavements, streets, grass, water, etc.  If there is a good scent article and a point where the person was last seen, a trailing dog can be the fastest way to find the victim.  Without the scent article and a point where the person was last seen, these dogs cannot work effectively.
   
While those are the two standard types of search and rescue dogs, there are also other dogs trained to find lost people.

TRACKING DOG

A tracking dog is trained to follow the path of a certain person.  It physically tracks the path of the person, without relying on air scenting.  This dog is usually worked in a harness and on leash. This type of dog is effective when pursuing an escaped criminal if no scent article is available.  These dogs are also used successfully in search and rescue operations.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #913 on: July 14, 2015, 07:41:48 AM »
So do you think that even hypothetically if the Sol article is true (GNR dog tracked from bedroom to another place in apartment then nowhere) it would be completely meaningless as intelligence?

Dogs might well have picked up a scent.  But not Madeleine's individual and unique scent ...

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #914 on: July 14, 2015, 08:11:20 AM »
seems ferryman is wrong not a poster to rely on,for true facts as if that is news

I assure you quite categorically that I am right ....