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Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #990 on: July 15, 2015, 09:23:05 PM »
Two sniffer dogs from the GNR specialised dog unit in Queluz were deployed at 11pm on the 4th May ie some 24 hours after Madeleine disappeared.  Handler Sgt Antonio Silva states in his report...

The deponent states that:
 - He comes to the process in the role of Chief of the GNR Search and Rescue Team. He coordinated all the work carried out by the two sniffer dogs in the Luz zone and the immediate areas relating to the disappearance of the English minor Madeleine McCann from the Ocean Club.
 - He remembers that on the 4th of May of the current year, around 23H00, they attempted to tentatively identify and thus reconstruct the path taken by the missing minor. They gave the dogs a Turkish bath towel which was supposedly used by the child in question. This operation was realised by two different dogs.
 - That after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment block 5A and 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment. Immediately afterward, he headed in the direction of block 4, returned around block 5, and came down a road that exists between this block and the leisure area (pools, restaurants, etc). He turned right; in the direction of the aforementioned apartment and headed toward the main road. There, he crossed the street and next to the wall of block 6, turned right, and headed toward the contiguous parking area. More concretely, he headed next to a light post and sniffed the ground around that post. After this, he crossed the street again and headed toward the access zone to the restaurants and pool area, sniffing the door which was closed at that time. He again went to the parking zone, and at that point, lost the scent.
 - When carrying out this operation with the second dog, he followed the same rout, took the same direction and headed toward the light post in the parking lot mentioned above. He sniffed the area and at that point appeared to have lost the scent. The only difference was that this dog did not head toward the entrance of the restaurant or the pool area.


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm




Sniffer dogs both lost Madeleine's scent by the lamp post shown in the foreground giving support to the theory that she somehow got out of the apartment on her own but was lifted having crossed the road to the car park.

It is worth pointing out that none of the specialist dogs marked the route taken by Tannerman.

Last sentence! Interesting.

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Offline sadie

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #991 on: July 16, 2015, 01:04:28 AM »
Last sentence! Interesting.

 &%+((£

PS thanks Anna
Very unlikely that they would mark the route taken by Tannerman, cos he was carrying Madeleine and it was a very gusty night.   

No Madeleine foot scent there , just air scent and gusty winds. 

No scent left to follow of Madeleines ... in such conditions.

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #992 on: July 16, 2015, 01:18:15 AM »
Very unlikely that they would mark the route taken by Tannerman, cos he was carrying Madeleine and it was a very gusty night.   

No Madeleine foot scent there , just air scent and gusty winds. 

No scent left to follow of Madeleines ... in such conditions.

But they followed   ?

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Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #993 on: July 16, 2015, 01:26:56 AM »
But they followed   ?

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Who knows what scent they may have followed, Mercury. Had it been Madeleine's, the dogs should have at least wanted to go in through the apartment gate & up the steps - but they didn't.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #994 on: July 16, 2015, 01:47:55 AM »
Who knows what scent they may have followed, Mercury. Had it been Madeleine's, the dogs should have at least wanted to go in through the apartment gate & up the steps - but they didn't.
Dogs can detect direction.
Otherwise 50% of dogs tracking a missing person would lead you exactly in the wrong direction.

Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #995 on: July 16, 2015, 03:19:38 AM »
Dogs can detect direction.
Otherwise 50% of dogs tracking a missing person would lead you exactly in the wrong direction.

Then you have to go back to exactly what the dogs were trained to do.
Why did one S&R dog track to the Tapas Bar entrance but the other one didn't?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #996 on: July 16, 2015, 07:35:08 AM »
Very unlikely that they would mark the route taken by Tannerman, cos he was carrying Madeleine and it was a very gusty night.   

No Madeleine foot scent there , just air scent and gusty winds. 

No scent left to follow of Madeleines ... in such conditions.

Don't you mean Crecheman who wasn't carrying Madeleine? An even better reason why they didn't follow that route.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #997 on: July 16, 2015, 11:42:08 AM »
Then you have to go back to exactly what the dogs were trained to do.
Why did one S&R dog track to the Tapas Bar entrance but the other one didn't?
Maybe where the most recent scent trail ended, one dog switched to tracing a less recent scent trail of the same scent source?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #998 on: July 16, 2015, 11:58:39 AM »
Maybe where the most recent scent trail ended, one dog switched to tracing a less recent scent trail of the same scent source?

What is the kids creche to tapas route at 5pm on 3 May? Do they use the safer shortcut path route and cross the road at the lamppost opposite the entrance?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #999 on: July 16, 2015, 02:02:07 PM »
What is the kids creche to tapas route at 5pm on 3 May? Do they use the safer shortcut path route and cross the road at the lamppost opposite the entrance?

Why did the dogs go this way though?

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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1000 on: July 16, 2015, 02:17:54 PM »
What is the kids creche to tapas route at 5pm on 3 May? Do they use the safer shortcut path route and cross the road at the lamppost opposite the entrance?
Presumably yes. It would be the only sensible route IMO.

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1001 on: July 16, 2015, 02:31:27 PM »
Why did the dogs go this way though?

They couldn't turn right after leaving the front door, because there was a wall there. There was also a walled pathway which they would have to follow. It looks to me as if they were following the lingering smell of food coming from the restaurant. However I am most probably wrong.
IIRC They showed interest in some food in refuse bags and then an apartment that had rotten food in the fridge.

When the children were taken out of the front door, would that not be a route to the crèche or Main reception?
And was it possible that Gerry and Kate's scent was also on that blanket?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1002 on: July 16, 2015, 02:34:50 PM »
Why did the dogs go this way though?

That is the route to the creche crossing the road to the lamppost. You keep on the shortcut path. If they took the dogs passed the big open car park they may have got her picked up her scent again on the shortcut route to the creche.

From memory, on Tuesday, 1 May 2007, being shown by RUSSELL, he went to pick up MADELEINE at creche using a short-cut that began at the car park opposite the secondary reception and went between the buildings, which he used to fetch and carry his daughter.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1003 on: July 16, 2015, 02:44:12 PM »
They couldn't turn right after leaving the front door, because there was a wall there. There was also a walled pathway which they would have to follow. It looks to me as if they were following the lingering smell of food coming from the restaurant. However I am most probably wrong.
IIRC They showed interest in some food in refuse bags and then an apartment that had rotten food in the fridge.

When the children were taken out of the front door, would that not be a route to the crèche or Main reception?
And was it possible that Gerry and Kate's scent was also on that blanket?

I think the dogs took that route because the scent of whatever it was that interested them was still there.

It is a relatively sheltered route with little reason for many members of the general public to take it and thus contaminate with their scent ... it is perfectly possible that the last people to use the route followed could have been the McCann family.

When they went out into the street there was more potential for the scent to be dissipated by the breeze as it was less sheltered it was also subject to more passing foot traffic and therefore soon lost.

Taking the training of the dogs into account, or rather the lack of it ... I think although possible it is highly improbable that they followed Madeleine's unique scent.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1004 on: July 16, 2015, 03:21:57 PM »
"after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment 5A of block 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

Did the most recent scent on the north side of the building lead directionally not away from the front door, but towards it?