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Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1005 on: July 16, 2015, 05:54:05 PM »
"after having given the sniffer dog the towel and next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically, next to apartment 5A of block 5, the first sniffer dog headed toward the door of that apartment"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

Did the most recent scent on the north side of the building lead directionally not away from the front door, but towards it?


It seems that the dogs were not interested in the apartment, the interior of block 5 or the back entrance and stairs to the apartment.

**snip
- None of the dogs used in this search, after having been given the towel supposedly used by the child, entered into block 5 but went immediately to the street between the apartment and the leisure area.

It should be taken into account that the second sniffer dog may have been conditioned by the first sniffer dog. That is to say that in the case of doubt, the second dog may have followed the second of the first.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1006 on: July 16, 2015, 08:53:59 PM »
They couldn't turn right after leaving the front door, because there was a wall there. There was also a walled pathway which they would have to follow. It looks to me as if they were following the lingering smell of food coming from the restaurant. However I am most probably wrong.
IIRC They showed interest in some food in refuse bags and then an apartment that had rotten food in the fridge.

When the children were taken out of the front door, would that not be a route to the crèche or Main reception?
And was it possible that Gerry and Kate's scent was also on that blanket?

Why would they head towards block 4 and go between blocks 4 and 5 to the path behind the apartments? it's a bit like Creche man's meandering route home from the night creche, it makes no sense.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1007 on: July 16, 2015, 09:27:02 PM »
The logical place to start a tracker dog from would be the bed.
The large number of canine footprints found on 4th prove a dog had been inside 5A.
Not in published files. But Sol article (if true) describes it, and the result is strange.

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1008 on: July 16, 2015, 09:37:57 PM »
Why would they head towards block 4 and go between blocks 4 and 5 to the path behind the apartments? it's a bit like Creche man's meandering route home from the night creche, it makes no sense.

I have no idea, G. And we can't ask the dogs can we? No more than we can ask crecheman what he was doing on his mystery Tour.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1009 on: July 16, 2015, 09:41:27 PM »
Why would they head towards block 4 and go between blocks 4 and 5 to the path behind the apartments? it's a bit like Creche man's meandering route home from the night creche, it makes no sense.
Its a bit further but a better route with children.

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1010 on: July 16, 2015, 09:49:00 PM »
Its a bit further but a better route with children.

I see what you mean.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1011 on: July 17, 2015, 08:24:21 AM »
Its a bit further but a better route with children.

It was, but they didn't use it according to their statements.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1012 on: July 17, 2015, 11:47:57 AM »
Why would they head towards block 4 and go between blocks 4 and 5 to the path behind the apartments? it's a bit like Creche man's meandering route home from the night creche, it makes no sense.

It makes sense with 3 young toddlers walking not down those dangerous steps. That is the normal safe route taken.

3 May

After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The veranda door was closed and locked; she doesn't know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche next to the 24-hour reception area.

14:45
They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through gardens and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was the one mentioned by Gerry.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1013 on: July 17, 2015, 01:58:02 PM »
They went into the car park opposite the Tapas reception and cut through there to the main recepton. No mention ever of going around block 5, cutting between blocks 5 and 4 and going down the path by the gardens as per the sniffer dog's route.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1014 on: July 17, 2015, 03:58:09 PM »
In a totally different case in a different country, if a missing person remained in their residence, what relevance would routes traced by tracker dogs outdoors have?

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1015 on: July 17, 2015, 10:24:32 PM »
I thought it had been discussed that the GNR dog trails going around the apartments before crossing the road and disappearing at he car park opposte the Tapas restaraunt may have related to the Mccanns younger children followed by  Madeleine following after them going around the apartments a day or so earlier? On their way to the daily creche? Icannot remember whose interview I read that in, but I definitely remember it.

Offline Admin

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1016 on: July 17, 2015, 10:56:19 PM »
They went into the car park opposite the Tapas reception and cut through there to the main recepton. No mention ever of going around block 5, cutting between blocks 5 and 4 and going down the path by the gardens as per the sniffer dog's route.

They had to leave the twins at the kiddies club located beside the tapas bar first and then make for the junior club with Madeleine.  Members must realise that there were at least two childrens clubs in operation, one for toddlers located beside the tapas bar and another located above main reception for older children like Madeleine.

The plan below might help. No 6 marks the location of the twins club while no 13 marks the location of 24 hr reception above which was Madeleine's club.


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Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1017 on: July 18, 2015, 12:43:32 AM »
the dogs were following madeleines scent or the twins?

the police asked for madeleines clothes, they got them and her towel and her blanket
« Last Edit: July 18, 2015, 01:04:25 AM by mercury »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1018 on: July 18, 2015, 06:40:26 AM »
I thought it had been discussed that the GNR dog trails going around the apartments before crossing the road and disappearing at he car park opposte the Tapas restaraunt may have related to the Mccanns younger children followed by  Madeleine following after them going around the apartments a day or so earlier? On their way to the daily creche? Icannot remember whose interview I read that in, but I definitely remember it.

It was in Gerald McCann's statement, made after the dogs went that way;

That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #1019 on: July 18, 2015, 09:23:05 AM »
They had to leave the twins at the kiddies club located beside the tapas bar first and then make for the junior club with Madeleine.  Members must realise that there were at least two childrens clubs in operation, one for toddlers located beside the tapas bar and another located above main reception for older children like Madeleine.

The plan below might help. No 6 marks the location of the twins club while no 13 marks the location of 24 hr reception above which was Madeleine's club.



They crossed the road from the tapas to the lamppost so it's no surprise the dogs found Madeleine's scent there. That was on the short cut route to the creche.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.