Amaral and the dogs

[Mr Gray]

You let your own blindness, as with other mccann supporters, to be unable to grasp that dogs are very adaptable and can be retrained.

you obviously haven't read the article

[stephen25000]

you obviously haven't read the article

Which article dave ?

[pathfinder73]

we are told 85 mins for cadaver in situ to develop scent....again...why the cover up if an accident happened before 8.30

"I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom...........I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone."

[Mr Gray]

"I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom...........I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone."

I don't think many share your view that this case involves Maddie being the victim of sexual abuse

[ferryman]

How many mothers who harbour the suspicions Mrs G, apparently, harboured, would allow the man they suspect anywhere near their daughter at any time, let alone at bath time.

Yet that is what Mrs G's statement, apparently, says.

I distrust the statement most of all ...

But then, we are off-topic ...

[ferryman]

From the article linked to earlier:

) A severely fatigued dog can inadvertently be pressured to give a false alert because it wants to terminate the search in order to rest. Therefore, it is important to maintain the dog at a high level of physical fitness so that it may work for multiple hours with only brief rest periods.

6) Dogs used to develop probable cause based upon residual scent must be negatively conditioned to human urine, feces, and semen in order to ensure that the animal will not alert when encountering these substances during a search. All dogs, no matter what level of training, used in the detection of decomposed human tissue should be negatively conditioned to the scent of decomposed non-human tissue. It must be kept in mind, however, that many dogs will react or show interest to any decomposed tissue at certain short times during the decomposition process.

7) Training for dogs used in search-and-rescue for lost persons (cadaver dogs) and for general field searching to find visible decomposed remains is generally appropriate and effective for that type of situation, but not for highly specialized situations or to build probable cause based solely upon residual scent.



ETA:

PJ Inspector Dias said this about Eddie:

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'


Clearly Inspector Dias had concerns ...

[stephen25000]

From the article linked to earlier:

) A severely fatigued dog can inadvertently be pressured to give a false alert because it wants to terminate the search in order to rest. Therefore, it is important to maintain the dog at a high level of physical fitness so that it may work for multiple hours with only brief rest periods.

6) Dogs used to develop probable cause based upon residual scent must be negatively conditioned to human urine, feces, and semen in order to ensure that the animal will not alert when encountering these substances during a search. All dogs, no matter what level of training, used in the detection of decomposed human tissue should be negatively conditioned to the scent of decomposed non-human tissue. It must be kept in mind, however, that many dogs will react or show interest to any decomposed tissue at certain short times during the decomposition process.

7) Training for dogs used in search-and-rescue for lost persons (cadaver dogs) and for general field searching to find visible decomposed remains is generally appropriate and effective for that type of situation, but not for highly specialized situations or to build probable cause based solely upon residual scent.

So which dogs were severely fatigued ?

Your continued attempts to dismiss the dogs and Grime, really shows desperation.

[Brietta]

You let your own blindness, as with other mccann supporters, to be unable to grasp that dogs are very adaptable and can be retrained.

If you read the literature, of which there is plenty, dogs cannot be 'untrained' to ignore earlier training.

For example, a dog trained on pig foetuses will always respond to dead pig.

For this reason cadaver dogs in some States in the USA are trained solely on complete human remains ~ human body parts and nothing else.

[stephen25000]

If you read the literature, of which there is plenty, dogs cannot be 'untrained' to ignore earlier training.

For example, a dog trained on pig foetuses will always respond to dead pig.

For this reason cadaver dogs in some States in the USA are trained solely on complete human remains ~ human body parts and nothing else.

Who said dogs can be 'untrained' ?

[Brietta]

Who said dogs can be 'untrained' ?

Your ill informed posts just cannot stand beside the researched posts from Sadie (which is the one you chose to denigrate) and Ferryman ... which lay out to all but those who will not comprehend ... that dogs can be "retrained" (your word) or fresh skills added to their repertoire ... but cannot be "untrained" (my word) to forget old skills.

                                                    Is that clear enough for you?

[stephen25000]

Your ill informed posts just cannot stand beside the researched posts from Sadie (which is the one you chose to denigrate) and Ferryman ... which lay out to all but those who will not comprehend ... that dogs can be "retrained" (your word) or fresh skills added to their repertoire ... but cannot be "untrained" (my word) to forget old skills.

                                                    Is that clear enough for you?

So dogs can't learn new skills  ?

As to ferryman and sadie, they find 'research' which suits their purposes.

That is well known, and neither are experts.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=CAN+FORENSIC+DOGS+BE+TRAINED+TO+DETECT+OTHER+SCENTS&biw=929&bih=509&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAGoVChMI87rZyr79xgIVAbUUCh11mQ60&dpr=2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue_dog

[Eleanor]

So dogs can't learn new skills  ?

As to ferryman and sadie, they find 'research' which suits their purposes.

That is well known, and neither are experts.

Dogs can learn new skills.  But they can't unlearn old ones.

[stephen25000]

Dogs can learn new skills.  But they can't unlearn old ones.

I didn't say they could.

[Eleanor]

I didn't say they could.

So what was Eddie alerting to?

[stephen25000]

So what was Eddie alerting to?

AS regards both dogs, there are two clear options.