Amaral and the dogs

[stephen25000]

I was answering the rather foolish allegation that Eddie alerted to bacon sandwiches. Amaral's 'mistakes' were minor compared to that. 

Has someone been telling porkies ?

[ferryman]

Before anyone accuses me of criticising MG or the dogs….Wrong.
 
These dogs do a wonderful job of locating cadavers or body fluids and they can’t do that job without the assistance of expert trainers/handlers.

Poor little Eddie may have already been sick when he was in Jersey…….We don’t know.

However, evidence of the Jersey  search, (False alert) surely proves that these specialised  dogs don’t  always get it right.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html


In my opinion. GA had already come to the conclusion, that the parents were involved and in his desperation to get a conviction, decided that these dogs were infallible in their detection capabilities. I doubt that it would have  been the first time that police, changed the facts to fit the Theory.

We cant say with certainty, that Eddie did not detect residual scent ,or indeed that he did , at this time.
MG has said that it is not certain without corroboration, so why would GA, think otherwise?
 
We still do not know what happened on that fateful night and there is still a possibility that, Eddie did detect, residual Cadaver scent……If that is the case from who and where ? Back to square one !

Well, if you aren't criticising Martin Grime, why not?

[Anna]

Well, if you aren't criticising Martin Grime, why not?

Why should I Ferryman?. This topic concerns Amaral and the dogs.

[ferryman]

Why should I Ferryman?. This topic concerns Amaral and the dogs.

Fair point ...

[Mr Gray]

I was answering the rather foolish allegation that Eddie alerted to bacon sandwiches. Amaral's 'mistakes' were minor compared to that. 

I'm glad you accept amaral made mistakes....mistakes made by posters on here are of no consequence...amaral was supposed to be a professional yet he seems to have less knowledge re the dogs than some posters on here

[Brietta]

The dog alerts were VERY relevant in helping to cement the opinions of many ill-informed individuals that the McCanns dunnit.  Some of these same people still continue (in the face of all the facts) to insist that the dog alerts are proof that Madeleine is dead and that her parents are involved in her disappearance.  As long as these individuals continue to make these unevidenced claims, there will be others pointing out why they are wrong.  Simples innit.

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Question 45
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45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

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Question 44 of the 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer when asked by the Portuguese police
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44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had? Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html#ixzz3hEQtyM1G Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Taken from very recent posts on Mr Amaral's Gofundme appeal page so repetitive they don't even need to be looked for: seems it is the turn of the 48 questions to make their appearance with the usual tripe about the dogs being the theme.

I perfectly understand why the sceptics prefer to peddle the myth rather than the actuality, that there are other people who prefer to follow the truth and the evidence is not surprising.

[Mr Gray]

£5
Question 45
44 mins ago
45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

£5
Question 44 of the 48 questions Kate McCann refused to answer when asked by the Portuguese police
15 hours ago
44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had? Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html#ixzz3hEQtyM1G Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Taken from very recent posts on Mr Amaral's Gofundme appeal page so repetitive they don't even need to be looked for: seems it is the turn of the 48 questions to make their appearance with the usual tripe about the dogs being the theme.

I perfectly understand why the sceptics prefer to peddle the myth rather than the actuality, that there are other people who prefer to follow the truth and the evidence is not surprising.

It always makes me laugh....those who claim to follow the evidence but like amaral don't understand it

[G-Unit]

I'm glad you accept amaral made mistakes....mistakes made by posters on here are of no consequence...amaral was supposed to be a professional yet he seems to have less knowledge re the dogs than some posters on here

When there are quotation marks around a word it means it's not my word and I don't agree with it. It's a bit like what Kate McCann said about her mistake in leaving her children unprotected. 'If you want to call it that'. Kate would have put quotation marks around that word if she had written it. she would have said 'We made a 'mistake', meaning she doesn't think they did.

Having explained that, I think Amaral did make mistakes, but not the ones some believe he made. He certainly never thought that VRD dogs alert to bacon sandwiches, that would have been foolish.

[Alfred R Jones]

When there are quotation marks around a word it means it's not my word and I don't agree with it. It's a bit like what Kate McCann said about her mistake in leaving her children unprotected. 'If you want to call it that'. Kate would have put quotation marks around that word if she had written it. she would have said 'We made a 'mistake', meaning she doesn't think they did.

Having explained that, I think Amaral did make mistakes, but not the ones some believe he made. He certainly never thought that VRD dogs alert to bacon sandwiches, that would have been foolish.

He thought the dogs alerted to Madeleine's corpse, or chose to believe it unequivocally.  Was he correct to do so?

[Mr Gray]

When there are quotation marks around a word it means it's not my word and I don't agree with it. It's a bit like what Kate McCann said about her mistake in leaving her children unprotected. 'If you want to call it that'. Kate would have put quotation marks around that word if she had written it. she would have said 'We made a 'mistake', meaning she doesn't think they did.

Having explained that, I think Amaral did make mistakes, but not the ones some believe he made. He certainly never thought that VRD dogs alert to bacon sandwiches, that would have been foolish.

First you say you don't agree he made mistakes then you go on to say you think he did make mistakes....that makes you  a tad confused...it's obvious amaral was mistaken about the alerts and your squirming in not wanting to admit it is equally obvious

[G-Unit]

First you say you don't agree he made mistakes then you go on to say you think he did make mistakes....that makes you  a tad confused...it's obvious amaral was mistaken about the alerts and your squirming in not wanting to admit it is equally obvious

I meant he made other mistakes. One of them was accepting the abduction hypothesis in the beginning.

[Alfred R Jones]

I meant he made other mistakes. One of them was accepting the abduction hypothesis in the beginning.

Did he really?  To the exclusion of all other hypotheses?  That's not what he'd have us believe from his extremely truthful book on the subject.

[Mr Gray]

I meant he made other mistakes. One of them was accepting the abduction hypothesis in the beginning.

Seeing as all your theories are backed by evidence could you give us a cite showing amaral accepting abduction...you will struggle

[G-Unit]

Seeing as all your theories are backed by evidence could you give us a cite showing amaral accepting abduction...you will struggle

No problem. Most of the work undertaken below was in relation to abduction.

As such, the Portuguese authorities engaged an enormous and expensive panoply of technical and human resources, in the attempt to discover the missing child and the understanding of the explanation of the disappearance.

The PJ never disregarded any information or credible elements – as will be seen in this criminal process – that could have led to the realization of the disappearance, and there have been completed, during these months, more than 2000 diligences, formal and informal, in this regard.

As an example, we refer to the international cooperation, especially with Spain, the Netherlands and the UK which led to the detention and identification of individuals who tried to introduce deceptive information about the hypothetical destination or location of the child.

All of the information with any major or minor level of credibility was explored, nationally and internationally, by the PJ, with special relevance given to dozens of supposed sightings or localizations of the child, most of which, in fact, were widely publicized in the press.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

No problem. Most of the work undertaken below was in relation to abduction.

As such, the Portuguese authorities engaged an enormous and expensive panoply of technical and human resources, in the attempt to discover the missing child and the understanding of the explanation of the disappearance.

The PJ never disregarded any information or credible elements – as will be seen in this criminal process – that could have led to the realization of the disappearance, and there have been completed, during these months, more than 2000 diligences, formal and informal, in this regard.

As an example, we refer to the international cooperation, especially with Spain, the Netherlands and the UK which led to the detention and identification of individuals who tried to introduce deceptive information about the hypothetical destination or location of the child.

All of the information with any major or minor level of credibility was explored, nationally and internationally, by the PJ, with special relevance given to dozens of supposed sightings or localizations of the child, most of which, in fact, were widely publicized in the press.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

None of that supports your contention that Amaral accepted abduction from the beginning to the exclusion of all other hypotheses.