Amaral and the dogs

[pathfinder73]

We had already concluded, long before the Irish witness, that if those persons were involved, there was only one possibility. It pointed towards the beach. Not only because of what [locations] they knew but also due to the terrain's conditions. In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area. If there was involvement, it would have been towards the beach area. Which is later corroborated by the Irish witness. (GA)

[G-Unit]

I see you now say he thought he had proved.....so you accept he was wrong.....he proved nothing

I don't recall ever saying he was right. People assume that anyone doubting the McCann story supports the Amaral story. There are actually lots of possibilities.

[pathfinder73]

I don't recall ever saying he was right. People assume that anyone doubting the McCann story supports the Amaral story. There are actually lots of possibilities.

I don't support his time of death theory but the beach is the obvious place to hide something in the dark with nobody there. Smithman was not far away from it when seen.

Low tide on the night of the 3 May 2007 was at 2200hrs at 2m. The
maximum amount of beach would be accessible including the rocky outcrop.
High tide on the 4 May 2007 was at 0415hrs at 3.1 m. This would mean that
from 0200hrs onwards half the eastern part of the beach would be submerged
and so access to the rocky outcrop impossible on foot.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[Brietta]

We had already concluded, long before the Irish witness, that if those persons were involved, there was only one possibility. It pointed towards the beach. Not only because of what [locations] they knew but also due to the terrain's conditions. In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area. If there was involvement, it would have been towards the beach area. Which is later corroborated by the Irish witness. (GA)

So basically what Mr Amaral is saying here is that anyone heading beachwards with a body to bury had to have local knowledge to have any chance of success.   

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"In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area."
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Leaving your prime suspect well and truly off the hook.

[pathfinder73]

So basically what Mr Amaral is saying here is that anyone heading beachwards with a body to bury had to have local knowledge to have any chance of success.   

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"In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area."
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Leaving your prime suspect well and truly off the hook.

Nope he is saying the parents didn't know the place but they knew the beach as they'd been there. If they were involved the beach was their only possibility of hiding a corpse.

[Brietta]

Nope he is saying the parents didn't know the place but they knew the beach as they'd been there. If they were involved the beach was their only possibility of hiding a corpse.

Sorry ... I thought his preferred option for the parents was the freezer theory, seems he had used it before and it worked well.

With respect ... an absolutely ridiculous assertion that people who had briefly visited a holiday beach would know of all the hidey holes for a body which would defeat local amateur (who really did know the areas to search) and professional searchers and their dogs alike.

Not only unlikely but an impossibility.

[pathfinder73]

Sorry ... I thought his preferred option for the parents was the freezer theory, seems he had used it before and it worked well.

With respect ... an absolutely ridiculous assertion that people who had briefly visited a holiday beach would know of all the hidey holes for a body which would defeat local amateur (who really did know the areas to search) and professional searchers and their dogs alike.

Not only unlikely but an impossibility.

Hard to find a freezer outside at 10pm. That theory would be move from hiding place to inside.

[pathfinder73]

July 17, 2015

Prosecutors repeatedly said that Jerice Hunter tried to make herself the victim by reporting Jhessye Shockley missing after she killed the 5-year-old.

A jury agreed Monday when it convicted Hunter of abusing and killing her daughter while Hunter was pregnant with another child.

The verdict was the culmination of a trial in which prosecutors were unable to produce an eyewitness to the killing or Jhessye's body. Although prosecutors said it was unclear when or how Hunter killed Jhessye, they said Hunter put the girl's body in a suitcase that she dumped in a Tempe garbage bin.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2015/04/27/jerice-hunter-trial-juror-question-abrk/26457663/

Prosecutors called Dennis Hallworth to the stand on Wednesday afternoon because Hallworth and his specially trained dog Casey searched the car, dumpster and carpet sample for the scent of human decay in November 2011.

Casey, a golden retriever, had been certified for six years at the time of the search. Hallworth, a volunteer with the Maricopa County Sheriff's posse, described the process of the day Casey searched for a cadaver scent in depth to the jury and said that Casey alerted to the scent of human decay in the trunk of Abdelgadir's vehicle, the carpet sample from the master bedroom closet and the dark brown dumpster Abdelgadir said Hunter threw the suitcase into.

Casey is trained to distinguish between human and animal scent, Hallworth said.

Earlier this week, Hunter's neighbor Somia Abdelgadir testified that she drove Hunter to Tempe to sell a suitcase full of clothes, the same suitcase she later dumped in a trash bin at an apartment complex.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2015/04/08/jerice-hunter-trial-jhessye-shockley-abrk/25472801/

[Anna]

Going way off topic here. Please get back on track. Thank you

[pathfinder73]

Going way off topic here. Please get back on track. Thank you

Off-topic how? A cadaver dog alerted to the car boot, closet/wardrobe in the parent bedroom and a bin. Amaral said Eddie alerted to the wardrobe and car boot for a cadaver. This case has similarities to the McCann case dog alerts.

[pegasus]

Something missing from Amaral's theory re the sofa and cupboard dog alerts -
He does not give a reason why someone would put something in a cupboard.

[ferryman]

Off-topic how? A cadaver dog alerted to the car boot, closet/wardrobe in the parent bedroom and a bin. Amaral said Eddie alerted to the wardrobe and car boot for a cadaver. This case has similarities to the McCann case dog alerts.

There was no alert to the car boot despite copious encouragement and repeated direction by Grime suggestive that he (Grime!) would have liked Eddie to react to the car boot.

Eddie's only reaction was to spots of Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

(Oh!  And good dog, Eddie!)

[Mr Gray]

Off-topic how? A cadaver dog alerted to the car boot, closet/wardrobe in the parent bedroom and a bin. Amaral said Eddie alerted to the wardrobe and car boot for a cadaver. This case has similarities to the McCann case dog alerts.

And what amaral said was not true. Amaral must know now he has lied. This has lead to comments such as this..


Question 45

16 hours ago

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?


I don't see amaral as being an honourable man and someone searching for the truth when he knows he has unfairly tarnished the McCanns with lies. This really is what the trial has been about...

[Mr Gray]

No one knows what happened to Maddie...fact


amaral is claiming he does...and by doing so is fuelling a campaign of hatred...that's the subject of the thread

[Mr Gray]

I know where the hatred was, and it wasn't from Amaral or the people who don't believe the mccanns.

Get your facts right.

there is plenty of online hatred towards the mccanns fuelled by amarals lies re the dogs