Amaral and the dogs

[mercury]

Did Keela "confirm" this alert as blood then?

[Brietta]

Did Keela "confirm" this alert as blood then?

Was she given the opportunity?

We only saw Eddie's performance at the villa.

[sadie]

Did Keela "confirm" this alert as blood then?

We never saw Keela in there .... and I dont recall her being used.

Can anyone prove that she was used?

[pathfinder73]

Did Keela "confirm" this alert as blood then?

The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened separately. (MG)

Keela is only used if Eddie alerts. The only difference was on clothes screened separately. Keela detected no blood so when Eddie came next and alerted it suggests cadaver scent.

[mercury]

Was she given the opportunity?

We only saw Eddie's performance at the villa.

No idea

But the dog searches IIRC reading somewhere were five hours plus, the video is less than half long. There is though nothing mentioned in the files apart from the fact that Mr Grine asked for the toy to be sent for forensics or kept for future forensics, I dont recall exactly

[sadie]

The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened separately. (MG)

Keela is only used if Eddie alerts. The only difference was on clothes screened separately. Keela detected no blood so when Eddie came next and alerted it suggests cadaver scent.

And neither did Eddie.  Martin Grime was mistaken.

[mercury]

And neither did Eddie.  Martin Grime was mistaken.

Unless you are a professional dog handler I dont think somehow you are in any position to say whether a professional dog handler is mistaken. You can of course say it is your laymans opinion, which is fine

[sadie]

Unless you are a professional dog handler I dont think somehow you are in any position to say whether a professional dog handler is mistaken. You can of course say it is your laymans opinion, which is fine

We watched the video carefully.  We all witnessed it mercury.  Even John agreed that Eddie did not alert to CCat  IIRC.

Eddie sniffed right by CCat in the cupboard and didn't blink an eyelid, but later when Martin indicated the counter well away from CCat he alerted.

And mercury, prior to all this Eddie had tossed CCat into the air and not alerted.   Why didn't he alert then?


Beyond doubt, Martin was mistaken

[carlymichelle]

We watched the video carefully.  We all witnessed it mercury.  Even John agreed that Eddie did not alert to CCat  IIRC.

Eddie sniffed right by CCat in the cupboard and didn't blink an eyelid, but later when Martin indicated the counter well away from CCat he alerted.

And mercury, prior to all this Eddie had tossed CCat into the air and not alerted.   Why didn't he alert then?


Beyond doubt, Martin was mistaken

who is we ??

[sadie]

who is we ??

It was talked about for a while.  If you missed it, then you didn't look in those days .... or you failed to read the relevant posts.

[Anna]

who is we ??

Here you go Carly. If you missed it, at 4.04 is when he barks at the paperwork or whatever it is

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3076.msg112720#msg112720

[sadie]

Here you go Carly. If you missed it, at 4.04 is when he barks at the paperwork or whatever it is

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3076.msg112720#msg112720

Thanks again Anna


And other relevant places on the video are at about 1.41-1.51 when Eddie twice throws CCat in the air without alerting.

Then at about 2.04 he runs past it and again at about 2.30, taking absolutely NO notice of it.  Cadavar scent?  I think NOT !!


CCat was then pplaced out of sight in the bottom of a cupboard and Eddie was taken past it twice.  3.44 and 3.52 approx.  Eddie sniffs around but smells nothing.  No alert

At about 4.04 after Martin has ordered him to check the cupboard counter top he finally alerts.  He barks at the paperwork or what ever it is.


CCat had no cadavar odour on it as you have seen, but the paperwork or what ever above seems to have.




At about 5.42, Martin takes CCat out of the cupboard and says that Eddie alerted to it.

He clearly did NOT, he alerted to something on the counter.    Martin was mistaken

[pegasus]

What do peeps think about the second alert in the villa video. Possibly to a dining chair?

[Angelo222]

Thanks again Anna


And other relevant places on the video are at about 1.41-1.51 when Eddie twice throws CCat in the air without alerting.

Then at about 2.04 he runs past it and again at about 2.30, taking absolutely NO notice of it.  Cadavar scent?  I think NOT !!


CCat was then pplaced out of sight in the bottom of a cupboard and Eddie was taken past it twice.  3.44 and 3.52 approx.  Eddie sniffs around but smells nothing.  No alert

At about 4.04 after Martin has ordered him to check the cupboard counter top he finally alerts.  He barks at the paperwork or what ever it is.


CCat had no cadavar odour on it as you have seen, but the paperwork or what ever above seems to have.




At about 5.42, Martin takes CCat out of the cupboard and says that Eddie alerted to it.

He clearly did NOT, he alerted to something on the counter.    Martin was mistaken

The cuddle cat episode was a bit if a fiasco if I'm honest and on this I agree with you Sadie.  To me the dog was already aware of the toy having just lifted it out of the toy basket and tossed it in the air.  He then knew the scent of the soft toy so when he scented it inside the cupboard, hey presto, he barked for it.  Not Grime and Eddie's finest moment imo

[Brietta]

The cuddle cat episode was a bit if a fiasco if I'm honest and on this I agree with you Sadie.  To me the dog was already aware of the toy having just lifted it out of the toy basket and tossed it in the air.  He then knew the scent of the soft toy so when he scented it inside the cupboard, hey presto, he barked for it.  Not Grime and Eddie's finest moment imo

I think that is a fair assessment.

I must admit though that I am mystified why the cupboard door wasn't immediately opened to reveal CuddleCat when Eddie 'alerted'.