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Offline Benice

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2430 on: August 14, 2015, 10:46:06 AM »
It is for Grime, not me, to explain why he kept directing and re-directing the dog back to one car (the car with find Madeleine stickers plastered all over the back windows).

It is for Grime, not me, to explain why the tours of all other apartments were whistle-stop, and the tour of apartment 5a long-drawn-out and protracted.

It is for Harrison, not me, to explain why he acknowledged the input of Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he recommended.
 
I wish Alfred still had the link to the way bias can influence a handler's judgment and interaction with his dog.

Indeed, in Grime's own profile, he makes reference to that very bias (in respect of other handlers, not himself ....)

Is it this article Ferryman ?  The study referred to by Lit, Schweitzer, and Oberbauer ( "Handler beliefs affect scent detection dog outcomes")  explains the test in great detail and someone may have a link to it.



Growing Evidence that Drug-Sniffing Dogs Reflect Police Bias
BY EARTH EROWID
Jun 2011
Erowid Extracts #20
Citation:   Erowid E. "False Alerts: Growing Evidence that Drug-Sniffing Dogs Reflect Police Bias". Erowid Extracts. Jun 2011;20:6-7. Online edition: Erowid.org/freedom/police/police_article1.shtml
Police in Washington State now Training Dogs not to Alert on Cannabis
Update, August 2013: After Washington State passed a measure legalizing cannabis in November, 2012, the Washington State Patrol began training K9 dogs not to alert on cannabis. In a direct Tweet to Erowid, the Washington State Patrol (@wastatepatrol) clarified that "established dogs" are not being retrained "to avoid mj" because it "can't b done", but they are "simply not training our new dogs on that odor". See "WSP's new breed of drug-sniffing dog" - King5.com, Aug 12 2013

Dogs trained to detect drugs, explosives, and human scents have become standard in police departments around the world. Courts in the United States generally accept law enforcement claims that a detection dog "alert" provides legal justification for bypassing 4th Amendment privacy protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and many other countries have similar rules. A dog alert is considered sufficient evidence to allow police to conduct a search without a warrant, permission, or additional probable cause. In that regard, a dog alert is the equivalent of an officer seeing a dead body or smelling cannabis. Given how much power the reaction of a drug dog and its handler's interpretations can have, it is striking how little research and data has been collected about their abilities and accuracy.

False Positives
A provocative research paper published in January 2011 showed that, rather than being neutral, police detection dogs alert where their handlers think they should. This research is one of only a handful of scientific attempts to test the validity of law enforcement claims of reliable detection.

The study by Lit, Schweitzer, and Oberbauer caused a stir because, in their experiments to test detection dogs and their handlers, the researchers did not use any explosive or drug scents. Instead, they created a course inside a building and placed red paper markers on various objects to fool handlers into believing that marked locations contained scents and "Slim Jim" meat sticks as decoys to fool the dogs. Even with no legitimate targets present in the experiment, 85% of searches resulted in at least one alert by the handler-led detection dog. Only 21 out of the 144 police dog walk-throughs correctly reported no alerts by the dog, while 123 searches resulted in a combined total of 225 false alerts.

Even with no legitimate targets present in the experiment, 85% of searches resulted in at least one alert by the handler-led detection dog.
The red targets designed to trick human handlers resulted in the vast majority of false alerts and were twice as likely to cause false alerts as unwrapped Slim Jims not marked with red paper. The researchers concluded that "handler beliefs affect working dog outcomes, and human indication of scent location affects [...] alerts more than dog interest in a particular location."1

Lit et al. compared the results of their experiment to the "Clever Hans" effect. Clever Hans was a horse in the early 20th century who was said to know how to count, but was later confirmed to be reacting to subtle cues from his handler and the audience. Lit et al. write, "The 'Clever Hans' effect has become a widely accepted example not only of the involuntary nature of cues provided by onlookers [...], but of the ability of animals to recognize and respond to subtle cues provided by those around them. However, an additional important consideration was the willingness of onlookers to assign a biased interpretation of what they saw according to their expectations."1 Issues of influence, expectation, and human interpretation of animal behavior become extremely problematic when Clever Hans is providing legal evidence used by law enforcement. To complicate matters, an actual alert isn't even required as an unethical handler can simply report an alert that didn't happen.

Probable Cause with Four Legs
Also in January 2011, the Chicago Tribune examined data about law enforcement searches collected to study racial profiling issues. They found that only 44% of alerts during K9 inspections of automobiles resulted in the discovery of illegal drugs or paraphernalia, with hit rates much lower for Hispanic drivers. An Illinois State Representative and former prosecutor, Jim Durkin, calls police dogs "probable cause with four legs" and has tried and failed to pass legislation that would create a set of standards for training detection dogs. It's astonishing that there isn't one already.2


Extensive Australian Review
In 2001, a judge in Sydney, Australia ruled in Police v. Darby that the use of drug-sniffing dogs, without other probable cause to suspect an individual, was illegal. In response, the New South Wales (NSW) legislature passed a law allowing the general use of drug detection dogs and created an oversight role for an organization to track and review the use of the dogs. In 2006, the NSW Ombudsman issued an extensive report based on two years of data representing over 10,000 drug dog alerts.3 The review found that illegal drugs were found in only 26% of all searches that were initiated after a handler indicated that a dog alerted on the subject. The report softens the dismal performance by suggesting the false positives could be the result of "residual scents": after being searched and found not to possess any contraband, 60% of dog-alerted suspects "admitted to having had some contact with cannabis or to being at a place where cannabis was smoked."3 This unsubstantiated excuse for their deplorable success rate is offered by police despite their claim that dogs are "not trained to detect the odour of cannabis smoke". Improbably, some of the "residual scent" admissions collected by police were "related to drug use that was weeks, months and sometimes more than a year prior to the indication by the drug detection dog."3 Obviously this sort of remote past contact should not lead a detection dog to alert and establish probable cause for a search for current evidence.

Disappointingly, the Ombudsman found that handlers rewarded dogs regardless of whether or not their alert was accurate, violating both common sense and the stated policy of NSW law enforcement dog handlers.3

Improbable Cause to Search
The fact that a drug dog alert constitutes probable cause to initiate a full search of a person or car should logically require that it is reasonable to assume a dog alert indicates that evidence of a crime is present. If the majority of alerts are for "residual" scents that are days, weeks, or months old, any presumption of reasonableness vanishes. Despite evidence to the contrary, the NSW Police Association states that dog alerts provide reasonable cause to search because they exclusively indicate the "carriage or recent use of drugs".3 Similarly, the primary U.S. Supreme Court cases upholding drug dog searches state that the canine sniff "discloses only the presence or absence of narcotics, a contraband item".4 But, as Justice Souter stated in his dissent of the defining case Illinois v. Caballes (2005), "[t]he infallible dog, however, is a creature of legal fiction [...] their supposed infallibility is belied by judicial opinions describing well-trained animals sniffing and alerting with less than perfect accuracy, whether owing to errors by their handlers, the limitations of the dogs themselves, or even the pervasive contamination of currency by cocaine."5

It is important to distinguish between two distinct types of detection practices: in some cases dogs are set to roam free in an area and alert when they detect a target scent, but in most cases dogs accompany their handler and are assigned to sniff a specific person or vehicle. It is in this latter case that the Clever Hans effect is much more likely to appear. It remains unknown and untested whether police dogs themselves might carry biases, even when not attended by a handler, which could result in inappropriately high false positives on patchouli-scented hippies, jersey-sporting inner city youth, or glowstick-carrying ravers. After all, if a dog receives subtle cues over the years from its handler that certain characteristics are "suspicious", it is all too easy to assume that the dog could internalize those biases.

Change Afoot?
There are small indications that the winds of change might be blowing in U.S. courts. In September 2010, an appellate court in Texas overturned the murder conviction of a man who had been found guilty based on a curious "scent lineup" technique. Three years after the murder, police had three dogs sniff clothing worn by the victim when he was killed. The police investigator then took "scent swabs" from six individuals and placed them in separate coffee cans. The investigator stated under oath that the dogs alerted when they sniffed the coffee can containing a swab taken from the defendant. The appeals court found that "scent discrimination lineups, when used alone or as primary evidence, are legally insufficient to support a conviction."6 Unfortunately, the appeals court did not throw out this unverified technique entirely and only found it could not be the sole evidence against a defendant. It seems that, at present, any technique involving a dog and a police officer is presumed accurate, and interpretation is left exclusively to the discretion of handlers.

The research by Lit and colleagues revealing that dogs alert where their handlers think they should, the extensive review of drug detection dogs in New South Wales, and the lack of counter evidence have begun to persuasively demonstrate that detection dogs and their handlers are not able to neutrally detect evidence of illegal activity. Instead, these detection teams are influenced by the problematic biases that make necessary the 4th Amendment in the United States and privacy protections in other countries. If the alert of a detection dog is going to be used as evidence allowing searches, double-blind type field techniques must be developed that are proven to remove handler bias.

References #
Lit L, Schweitzer JB, Oberbauer AM. "Handler beliefs affect scent detection dog outcomes". Anim Cogn. May 2011; 14(3):387-94.
Hinkel D, Mahr J. "Tribune analysis: Drug-sniffing dogs in traffic stops often wrong". Chicago Tribune. Jan 6, 2011.
Australia. NSW Ombudsman. Review of the Police Powers (Drug Detection Dogs) Act 2001. NSW. Sep 14, 2006.
United States v. Place. 462 U.S. 696 (1983).
Illinois v. Caballes. 543 U.S. 405 (2005).
Winfrey v. Texas. 323 S.W. 3d 87
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Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2431 on: August 14, 2015, 10:52:25 AM »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2432 on: August 14, 2015, 11:08:25 AM »
Think very carefully about what you are saying here.

How likely is it that in all the residences checked by the dogs, including the Murat villa ... the only place where an individual had shed blood was in the McCann holiday residence?

Eddie goes in to find the scent he is trained to find. He doesn't go in first to sniff between every floor tile for any trace of blood. That is Keela's job. The dogs have to sniff really close to detect such minute blood. That's why the clothes have to be screened separately and Keela goes first to rule out blood. If Eddie alerts next it suggest cadaver scent.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2433 on: August 14, 2015, 11:10:51 AM »
It is for Grime, not me, to explain why he kept directing and re-directing the dog back to one car (the car with find Madeleine stickers plastered all over the back windows).

It is for Grime, not me, to explain why the tours of all other apartments were whistle-stop, and the tour of apartment 5a long-drawn-out and protracted.

It is for Harrison, not me, to explain why he acknowledged the input of Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he recommended.
 
I wish Alfred still had the link to the way bias can influence a handler's judgment and interaction with his dog.

Indeed, in Grime's own profile, he makes reference to that very bias (in respect of other handlers, not himself ....)


I think this may be the one you remember, Ferryman.

When the suggestion is made that Martin Grime is being libelled or denigrated in any way ... the results obtained by this dog team should be borne in mind.

The handler acted in perfectly good faith ... but he believed bodies had been deposited although in fact none were ... but because he believed, so did his dog and the dog delivered accordingly.



Quote from: Alfred R Jones on January 07, 2015, 12:37:07 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5883.msg210424#msg210424

I've got another good example of a conviction without a body.  The case of Thomas Quick, the Swedish serial killer who never was.  Zampo the cadaver dog alerted no less than 45 times in places that Quick claimed to have brought his victims' bodies.  The only slight problem was...he never actually committed any of the murders.  Ooops.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/20/thomas-quick-bergwall-sweden-murder
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2434 on: August 14, 2015, 11:19:37 AM »
Eddie goes in to find the scent he is trained to find. He doesn't go in first to sniff between every floor tile for any trace of blood. That is Keela's job. The dogs have to sniff really close to detect such minute blood. That's why the clothes have to be screened separately and Keela goes first to rule out blood. If Eddie alerts next it suggest cadaver scent.

There appears to have been little expectation on anyone's part that there might be cadaver scent anywhere other than apartment 5A and the Renault therefore the intensive attention given to both areas ... the dogs according to Ricardo Paiva being called in because of the heightened suspicions (did you ever!) arising from Dr McCann's alleged reporting of a dream.

Remember Clever Hans?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2435 on: August 14, 2015, 11:30:52 AM »
There appears to have been little expectation on anyone's part that there might be cadaver scent anywhere other than apartment 5A and the Renault therefore the intensive attention given to both areas ... the dogs according to Ricardo Paiva being called in because of the heightened suspicions (did you ever!) arising from Dr McCann's alleged reporting of a dream.

Remember Clever Hans?

Could we ever forget? As I recall Clever Hans formed part of a "set piece play" by a poster whose name escapes me for the moment  8(0(*
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2436 on: August 14, 2015, 11:39:01 AM »
Police dog handlers direct the search, they don't 'persuade' the dogs to alert.  @)(++(*

I would use the word encourage

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2437 on: August 14, 2015, 11:44:03 AM »
You are a star Anna ... that is precisely what I was after ...

After the 'build up' given to him resulting from Praia da Luz where the Drs McCann were at that time arguidos; I think the expectations for Eddie were just too high and just because he didn't find the bodies allegedly buried in Haute de la Garenne didn't really mean he was 'unreliable'.

It just meant that there were no bodies there to be found.


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3.10.16 OFFICER X notes that during conversation with X, CO POWER accepted that ‘the dog was ‘probably unreliable’ and that the dog handler, GRIME, had too much influence over the enquiry, again, Mr POWER didn’t say how he managed or dealt with that issue’.
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/r-wiltshireoperationhavenredacted-20081112-jn.pdf

Why don't you post the conclusion that the Wiltshire Police Investigation came to in this respect ? If you don't I will  8(0(*
It casts a different light all together.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2438 on: August 14, 2015, 11:47:08 AM »
Why don't you post the conclusion that the Wiltshire Police Investigation came to in this respect ? If you don't I will  8(0(*
It casts a different light all together.

Why don't you do just that and give us your take on the matter ... it is after all a discussion forum ... not a one man comedy opportunity.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2439 on: August 14, 2015, 12:04:35 PM »
Neither are dogs:

5.6.19 The sample was logged into the ORAU system in the usual manner
and, as in all cases, a sample of bone powder was drilled from the
underside of the specimen using a tungsten carbide drill. The powder
weighed 440 mg. The technician performing this procedure noted that
the material did not behave as bone ordinarily would and did not have
the texture that normal bone exhibits. The technician has a great deal
of experience in the sampling of bone (almost 30 years). Because of
this uncertainty, and as a precaution, a small amount of the sample
was combusted to measure the % nitrogen remaining. % N is a good
correlate for protein, which is dominated in bone by collagen, and the
measurement of nitrogen offers a simple test concerning whether the
sample is dateable or not. Low % N means that the material is
essentially un-dateable using radiocarbon.
5.6.20 X (ORAU) reported that the Jersey sample only had
0.6 % N. Ordinarily this is too low to yield extractable collagen of any
quality. Despite our concerns, X requested that a fuller
chemical treatment be undertaken, in an attempt to produce a
result, but although some material was extracted it was demonstrably
not collagenous based on the analysis of the texture of the material,
the C:N atomic ratios and the similarly significant lack of nitrogen, so
the sample was formally failed and the States of Jersey Police notified.
5.6.21 A further analysis of the bone sample later the following week by
X and X (British Museum faunal specialist
and one of our collaborators in work undertaken in the ORAU)
concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost
certainly wood. It seemed surprising to us that the material could be
so confidently identified by X , and particularly that it could
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be determined to be an infant specimen. We informed X of
our concerns shortly afterwards, by phone and e-mail. We stand by our
original assessment. We suggest that the curvature of the material
may have had something to do with the misidentification. We
think it appears to be more like part of a large seed casing, or part of
something like a small piece of coconut. Certainly, the density of the
material is most unlike bone, it is too light. Our conclusion is that this
sample is: a) not bone and b) not human. We are very surprised that
the forensic archaeologist could be so confident and differ in X
identification. We suggested at the time that a further opinion would be
required, but this not considered by X . A further
analysis of the bone structure under a suitable microscope would
confirm the situation rapidly.


I don't have a problem with the fact that the anthropologist initially considered the fragment to potentially be a fragment of a child's skull - that is the type of evidence that they were looking for.

Eddie had alerted in that area, and they found this fragment... so it might have been one, hence the decision to retain it for further analysis.

A possibility that I'd thought of is that, when it was found, it might have been heavier due to having absorbed ambient humidity... and the fact that it later appeared too light to the bone handler technician was because it had since had time to dry out.

My main problem is that the police shouldn't have fuelled media speculation until full tests had been done (which isn't her fault).

It's also possible that Eddie wasn't reacting to the coconut itself, but to some interesting aroma deposited near it - which may have been recent or ancient, relevant or not.

The bottom line is that the so-called "evidence" of murder found.... doesn't appear to have existed. Or at least not within the time scope of the investigation.

Another gripe that I have over that fiasco is that once the "murder" evidence was debunked, it could have undermined the credibility of the victims concerning the very real abuse that some of those poor kids were subjected to.








Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2440 on: August 14, 2015, 12:18:15 PM »
Why don't you do just that and give us your take on the matter ... it is after all a discussion forum ... not a one man comedy opportunity.
8((()*/ well said!

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2441 on: August 14, 2015, 12:18:23 PM »
Why don't you do just that and give us your take on the matter ... it is after all a discussion forum ... not a one man comedy opportunity.

My take is that Officer X was just one person giving evidence to an inquiry. He also said the excavations were not justified 3.10.17. His opinions do not seem to have been unequivocally upheld by the inquiries conclusions.  If one is going to use an official inquiry as the basis for an argument then one would have thought the conclusions of that inquiry would be the better base rather than selective choices from witness opinions.

snip>>>>
Conclusion
3.10.18
There are two significant issues in relation to the search of Haut de la Garenne. Firstly, whether the search was justified and secondly, whether CO POWER supervised the decision-making process, given the significance of the search and what it implied about Operation Rectangle.
3.1019
Operation Haven concludes that the decision to dig at Haut de la Garenne was questionable. DCO HARPER was not trained to an acceptable level and, in the case of CO POWER, we note his own admission that he had no current training ‘in the oversight of such investigations’.
Nevertheless, this Inquiry can conceive why, in all circumstances, it may have been considered reasonable to do so. We do not raise formal criticism of DCO HARPER or CO POWER for their decision to do so. We do point out however, that the decision to search having been made, the risks in terms of public and media speculation about police activity, if reported, should have been predicted and carefully planned for. <<<<< snip

I suppose one could also point out that this particular "fiasco" did wind up with a result at a cost of only £7MM.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2442 on: August 14, 2015, 12:19:54 PM »
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2443 on: August 14, 2015, 12:39:35 PM »
It is for Grime, not me, to explain why he kept directing and re-directing the dog back to one car (the car with find Madeleine stickers plastered all over the back windows).

It is for Grime, not me, to explain why the tours of all other apartments were whistle-stop, and the tour of apartment 5a long-drawn-out and protracted.

It is for Harrison, not me, to explain why he acknowledged the input of Grime and his dogs only in those inspections he recommended.
 
I wish Alfred still had the link to the way bias can influence a handler's judgment and interaction with his dog.

Indeed, in Grime's own profile, he makes reference to that very bias (in respect of other handlers, not himself ....)

Grime was the professional dog trainer and handler and no doubt he directed the search in the same way he directed all his searches. He has no need to explain his methods to you or anyone else. His dogs got results.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #2444 on: August 14, 2015, 12:45:04 PM »
Grime was the professional dog trainer and handler and no doubt he directed the search in the same way he directed all his searches. He has no need to explain his methods to you or anyone else. His dogs got results.
One could no doubt  say the same about Zampo and his handler both of whom continued to work despite the numerous false alerts in the Thomas Quick case.