Amaral and the dogs

[Eleanor]

It would be the SCENT the dog was alerting to not DNA.

Yep.  Could be Pig Scent.

[Anna]

Trouble is all a wrong bleep says is you have failed to find the metal.

Cadaver dogs will be used until a substitute is invented.

They find bodies in large areas. Therefore cutting down the time required by police officers. IMO They do a good job, when used as they are meant to be used.
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An old but interesting article, which also mentions, Mark Harrison.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

[Lyall]

Yep.

Certainly the curtain seems to be a signalling error by Keela.

I think the bushes might have been sent off at the recommendation of a technician (in fairness to Keela).

I would need to go back and check that, though.

An error? You're declaring that based on the FSS reports?

The samples recovered and sent to UK were degraded. The failure of tests on degraded material can't be used as evidence the same tests would have failed had they been done 3 months earlier.

[stephen25000]

It would be the SCENT the dog was alerting to not DNA.

Really, so where was the scent laid down, and what proof was there that it originated with pig products ?

[stephen25000]

Yep.

Certainly the curtain seems to be a signalling error by Keela.

I think the bushes might have been sent off at the recommendation of a technician (in fairness to Keela).

I would need to go back and check that, though.

So you have access to the entire recordings made of  the dogs searches ?

[stephen25000]

Yep.  Could be Pig Scent.

For that you need evidence.

Is there any of pig residues ?

[Lace]

Really, so where was the scent laid down, and what proof was there that it originated with pig products ?

The scent would have been wafting from the garden obviously.   

What proof is there that it wasn't pig residue?

edited to change 'products' to 'residue'

[ferryman]

Because of this it was also asked of the undersigned that they entered into contact with an English scientific advisor, named Jonathan Smith, who indicated which traces should be collected and the best way to proceed with their collection.

In that contact the undersigned were told that they should [OCR error: missing word taken to be "proceder": to proceed] proceed with the recovery of the floor tiles indicated by the dog specialised in the detection of human blood, with the recovery of hair in the corridor [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[Lyall]

The scent would have been wafting from the garden obviously.   

What proof is there that it wasn't pig products?

Pig products? It would have to be decomposed pig, not 'products'. Likely?

[Lace]

Pig products? It would have to be decomposed pig, not 'products'. Likely?

Sorry you're right should have been pig residue.   

[Lyall]

Sorry you're right should have been pig residue.   

What do you mean by pig residue?

[stephen25000]

The scent would have been wafting from the garden obviously.   

What proof is there that it wasn't pig residue?

edited to change 'products' to 'residue'

 

Nothing in the forensic results.

[ferryman]

An error? You're declaring that based on the FSS reports?

The samples recovered and sent to UK were degraded. The failure of tests on degraded material can't be used as evidence the same tests would have failed had they been done 3 months earlier.

The curtain was sent to the FSS because Keela reacted. 

No blood was found by the FSS.

Signalling error by Keela

[Eleanor]

 

Nothing in the forensic results.

What forensic results? 

It isn't possible to define what is in a death scent.  It could be Pig Scent from the garden.

[Lace]

I just had a thought,   Grime says Eddie wouldn't alert to any edible pig products, such as pork,  pork chop,  bacon etc.    He used piglets not fit for human consumption,  by that I think he means they were decomposing piglets.  Yet he took a piece of pork drenched it in petrol,  burnt it, hid it,  and Eddie alerted to it.   Surely if you took say a pork chop drenched it in petrol, burnt it, hid it,  Eddie would alert to that too, it's all pork at the end of the day and I would think burnt pork would give off the same scent no matter what shape of food it started off in,  wouldn't it?