Amaral and the dogs

[ferryman]

I can see the sense of wearing a full forensic suit in a protected crime scene but the inspections in PdL were far away from being that.  Basically it made little difference.

Exactly!

And which video was Grime given so that he could promote himself in places like Haut de la Garenne?

[Carana]

I can see the sense of wearing a full forensic suit in a protected crime scene but the inspections in PdL were far away from being that.  Basically it made little difference.

I agree, so what was the point of dressing up for that one inspection?

[pegasus]

Originally there was no intention to search the villa or the scenic.
That decision was made after the dogs alerted at the apartment, on Aug 1st.
If the dogs had not alerted in 5A, there would have been no search of the villa or scenic.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why are you so antagonistic towards Grime, what did he ever do to you ferryman?

Why are you so nasty about Kate and Gerry McCann - what did they ever do to you Angelo?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Why are you so nasty about Kate and Gerry McCann - what did they ever do to you Angelo?

Could it be something to do with their behaviour?

[ferryman]

Originally there was no intention to search the villa or the scenic.
That decision was made after the dogs alerted at the apartment, on Aug 1st.
If the dogs had not alerted in 5A, there would have been no search of the villa or scenic.

This is from Harrison's reported dated 25 July, so I don't think that's quite right, Pegasus.

On 25-07-07 the PJ Director decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report. He also decided the order of their priority. These were the accommodation the McCann’s and their friends have occupied in Praia da Luz, the villa and the grounds occupied by Robert Murat, wasteland that surrounds these locations and any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared.

[pegasus]

This is from Harrison's reported dated 25 July, so I don't think that's quite right, Pegasus.

On 25-07-07 the PJ Director decided his officers would re-search some of the areas suggested within the report. He also decided the order of their priority. These were the accommodation the McCann’s and their friends have occupied in Praia da Luz, the villa and the grounds occupied by Robert Murat, wasteland that surrounds these locations and any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared.

Yes Ferryman - If you read that carefully it does not include the Scenic.
"Any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared" includes a rental car hired by friends of JT/ROB but does not include the Scenic.
The decisions to search the Rua Das Flores villa and the Scenic were made after Eddie alerted at 5A Aug 1st.

[pegasus]

Faced with the new matters brought to the file through the dog search reports above, based on Mark Harrison's report already on file, and which support that Madeleine McCann may have died inside apartment 5A, Ocean Club, Luz, Lagos, where she was on holiday with her parents and two siblings.
The above reports state that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour and human blood inside the apartment, it already having been established that no death has occurred there previously.
In point a) of the report we can infer the locations of cadaver odour as well as the presence of traces of human blood. Also at point f) we see that cadaver odour was detected in the garden immediately adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was signalled in the other places.
In order to allow us to thoroughly examine this situation, which could have its conclusion through new evidence, it is requested for a voice record, legally sanctioned, specifically of two locations:
1 - Rua das Flores, no 27, Vivenda Vista do Mar, Luz Park, Luz, Lagos (the present residence of the McCann family in Luz)
2 - Hired vehicle used by the McCanns, the "Renault Scenic", number plate 59-DA-27.
Further, and of no small importance, it is also requested that a magistrate issue search warrants for [the above two locations] to enable us to recover new items/clues.
I ask that you consider the above and decide at your convenience.
Portimao, 1 August 2007

[ferryman]

Yes Ferryman - If you read that carefully it does not include the Scenic.
"Any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared" includes a rental car hired by friends of JT/ROB but does not include the Scenic.
The decisions to search the Rua Das Flores villa and the Scenic were made after Eddie alerted at 5A Aug 1st.

Of course!

"The suspect" must refer to Murat, because the McCanns were not made arguidos until September.

And the McCanns did not hire the Renault Scenic until about 3 weeks after Madleine's disappearance.

Good spot!

Yep!

You've got your finger on the pulse pegasus ....

[misty]

Yes Ferryman - If you read that carefully it does not include the Scenic.
"Any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared" includes a rental car hired by friends of JT/ROB but does not include the Scenic.
The decisions to search the Rua Das Flores villa and the Scenic were made after Eddie alerted at 5A Aug 1st.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm


Date: 01 August 2007
*snipped*
Initial conclusion.

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

Faced with new elements revealed by the dog handling unit's search, attached to the report, and on the basis of Mark Harrison's report, there is every reason to believe that the small child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A where she was spending her holiday with her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Following the markings by the cadaver odour detecting dogs and traces of human blood inside the apartment from which the child disappeared, we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before. In this report, several places were marked, signaling the presence of cadaver odour and human blood. In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.

So as to go further with this lead, of which certain results may reveal new evidence, we request authorisation to carry out further inspections, within the legal framework, in two distinct places:

1 - Rue des Fleurs no...The McCann family's current residence in Portugal.

 

2 - Rented vehicle Renault Scenic, registration ...DA - 27.

We suggest that this inspection is entrusted to the PJ and ask the Public Prosecutor for a 20 day mandate. Thus, we consider that there are indications that consolidate strong suspicions according to which, there are elements of evidence of a crime, inside the vehicle used by the McCanns and, moreover, likely to reveal important details of fundamental importance for the investigation.

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Amazing how quickly they could get a search warrant when they really wanted to.

[Eleanor]

Yes Ferryman - If you read that carefully it does not include the Scenic.
"Any known vehicles the suspect, the McCanns and their friends had access to when Madeleine disappeared" includes a rental car hired by friends of JT/ROB but does not include the Scenic.
The decisions to search the Rua Das Flores villa and the Scenic were made after Eddie alerted at 5A Aug 1st.

Jolly well spotted.

[ferryman]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm


Date: 01 August 2007
*snipped*
Initial conclusion.

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

Faced with new elements revealed by the dog handling unit's search, attached to the report, and on the basis of Mark Harrison's report, there is every reason to believe that the small child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A where she was spending her holiday with her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Following the markings by the cadaver odour detecting dogs and traces of human blood inside the apartment from which the child disappeared, we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before. In this report, several places were marked, signaling the presence of cadaver odour and human blood. In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.

So as to go further with this lead, of which certain results may reveal new evidence, we request authorisation to carry out further inspections, within the legal framework, in two distinct places:

1 - Rue des Fleurs no...The McCann family's current residence in Portugal.

 

2 - Rented vehicle Renault Scenic, registration ...DA - 27.

We suggest that this inspection is entrusted to the PJ and ask the Public Prosecutor for a 20 day mandate. Thus, we consider that there are indications that consolidate strong suspicions according to which, there are elements of evidence of a crime, inside the vehicle used by the McCanns and, moreover, likely to reveal important details of fundamental importance for the investigation.

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Amazing how quickly they could get a search warrant when they really wanted to.

Confirmation that Peguses is right.

And not Inspector Carols' finest moment, though I do believe him to be a fundamentally decent man.

Thanks Misty.

[pegasus]

@Misty. Yes the warrants for the searches of the villa and scenic were applied for immediately after Eddie visited 5A, and granted very rapidly by a judge on the next day.
But what happened to the warrants for bugging of villa and scenic?

[ferryman]

@Misty. Yes the warrants for the searches of the villa and scenic were applied for immediately after Eddie visited 5A, and granted very rapidly by a judge on the next day.
But what happened to the warrants for bugging of villa and scenic?

I'm pretty sure the request was turned down.

But I would need to track down the reference.

[mercury]

This is the "sala comum" box area and the pillows on dining table prove it.
There are IMO at least 4 piles of clothing in this photo
On sideboard on your right under a sheet of paper is clothes items grey, green, red, white.
Next pile to left is top down small clothes items yellow, green,yellow.
Next pile to left has a grey clothes item on top.
Also IMO is probably more items on chair.

There are two sections in the dog video scanning over the sideboard area. IMO at least the first pile you detail as clothes (grey green red and white) are papers and files....