Amaral and the dogs

[mercury]

I presume it is the second point you are querying?

It's to do with bias.

UK and (mainstream) US policing the same.  One handler may handle only one dog at a given crime-scene.

In this second enquiry we've seen that, two dogs deployed and two handlers (one a woman, not that that's relevant).

I don't profess to know the rules, what I do know is that Mr Grime has been used before PDL in other cases with two dogs, and no other handler, so therefore that puts your claim that SYP wouldn't do this in question.

It is not as if in PDL Mr Grime used both dogs at the same tme, hence, it was always one handler one dog at any given time, don't really see the problem ....but of course in your mind it's bias, profit, conscious cueing, lying in his CV, getting people in personnel to doctor his credentials, and all sorts...please yourself

[ferryman]

I don't profess to know the rules, what I do know is that Mr Grime has been used before PDL in other cases with two dogs, and no other handler, so therefore that puts your claim that SYP wouldn't do this in question.

It is not as if in PDL Mr Grime used both dogs at the same tme, hence, it was always one handler one dog at any given time, don't really see the problem ....but of course in your mind it's bias, profit, conscious cueing, lying in his CV, getting people in personnel to doctor his credentials, and all sorts...please yourself

I think you'll find Grime was deployed alone with Eddie or with another handler (Ellis) and another dog (Frankie).

Not sure Keela and Eddie were ever deployed together on the same assignment before PdL

[stephen25000]

I think you'll find Grime was deployed alone with Eddie or with another handler (Ellis) and another dog (Frankie).

Not sure Keela and Eddie were ever deployed together on the same assignment.

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[ferryman]

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From an FOI answer which (I believe) Carana has, but I don't.

[mercury]

I think you'll find Grime was deployed alone with Eddie or with another handler (Ellis) and another dog (Frankie).

Not sure Keela and Eddie were ever deployed together on the same assignment.

So basically, it boils down go you have no clue. Not a great position to come from when asserting this that and the other.

[ferryman]

So basically, it boils down go you have no clue. Not a great position to come from when asserting this that and the other.

I appear to have more of a clue than you.

[Mr Gray]

So basically, it boils down go you have no clue. Not a great position to come from when asserting this that and the other.

doesn't matter...the alerts have no evidential value or reliability ...basically BS.

Now if you want to discuss at length how this BS was arrived at ..it's up to you...but it's still BS

[mercury]

I appear to have more of a clue than you.

No need to get personal, your last post was decidedly unsure in the second part and assertive in the first but with no back up, and seeing as you frequently state things which later are proven false, it really would be in your best interest to back up any claim you make

[Mr Gray]

No need to get personal, your last post was decidedly unsure in the second part and assertive in the first but with no back up, and seeing as you frequently state things which later are proven false, it really would be in your best interest to back up any claim you make

can you back up your claim that Grime said the dogs alerted to cadaver odour

[ferryman]

No need to get personal, your last post was decidedly unsure in the second part and assertive in the first but with no back up, and seeing as you frequently state things which later are proven false, it really would be in your best interest to back up any claim you make

If you didn't know that it is standard policy to deploy dogs and handlers in one-to-one ratios, then I have informed you of something.

That's not personal.

[pegasus]

No-one has noticed a problem re of one of Amaral's ideas Why would anyone put anything in a cupboard that doesn't belong there and then take it out again. What's the point. It achieves absolutely nothing.

[mercury]

can you back up your claim that Grime said the dogs alerted to cadaver odour

I already gave it yesterday, don't you remember?

In Grime's professional opinion the EVRD dog alerts were suggestive of cadaver scent contaminant...except for his opinion after the garage searches where it was his opinion the alerts suggested cadaver scent contaminant or blood

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AS anyone would expect from a cadaver dog giving alerts!

Cue nitpicking claptrap

[Mr Gray]

I already gave it yesterday, don't you remember?

In Grime's professional opinion the EVRD dog alerts were suggestive of cadaver scent contaminant...except for his opinion after the garage searches where it was his opinion the alerts suggested cadaver scent contaminant or blood

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AS anyone would expect from a cadaver dog giving alerts!

Cue nitpicking claptrap

so you cannot back up your claim as I pointed out..

[mercury]

If you didn't know that it is standard policy to deploy dogs and handlers in one-to-one ratios, then I have informed you of something.

That's not personal.

One to one it was, Grime worked with one dog at a time
You haven't provided evidence any other handler was with Grime on searches previous to PDL and that SYP would never have sent one handler out with two dogs, but never mind, I'm not going to lose sleep over it

[ferryman]

One to one it was, Grime worked with one dog at a time
You haven't provided evidence any other handler was with Grime on searches previous to PDL and that SYP would never have sent one handler out with two dogs, but never mind, I'm not going to lose sleep over it

By one-to-one I mean a ratio of one dog to one handler.

In his SYP days, Grime would either operate alone with Eddie or he would operate in tandem with another dog, Frankie and his handler Ellis.

But Grime would never operate two dogs at the same crime scene (neither would any other handler).

As I say, I believe Carana has the FOI answer that substantiates that.