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Offline faithlilly

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4560 on: August 30, 2015, 10:19:04 AM »
Quote from: Lace on August 30, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
Apart from the fact that Gerry was in the Tapas bar at 9.30.

Says who ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4561 on: August 30, 2015, 10:21:17 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 10:07:27 AM
No I meant shortly before 10 Eleanor. We have no independent witness to Gerry's whereabouts after 9.15. Madeleine's name is heard being expressed quietly sometime around 9.30 which could have been Gerry searching for her and having found her in the flowerbed takes her to the bedroom where he considers what to do next. The sofa alert, I believe, was to historic blood.

But why would Gerry have been at the apartment just before 10pm to even know that she was missing?  He'd did his check at 9pm, and then Matthew at 9.30.  It was Kate's turn at 10pm.
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ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4562 on: August 30, 2015, 10:35:52 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 10:19:04 AM
Says who ?

PJ Inspector Joao Carlos, who wrote the final PJ report.

Just for a fleeting moment, countenance the possibility that he might have been mistaken.

Instantly two questions would arise:

1 Why did no one comment on Gerry's absence from the restaurant at the moment of Kate's alert?

2. Where, in the files, is there commentary on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him?

Non-existent.

Why?

Almost certainly because Inspector Carlos called it right to say Gerry was in the restaurant. ....
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Offline Lace

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4563 on: August 30, 2015, 10:37:53 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on August 30, 2015, 10:19:04 AM
Says who ?

Russell O'Brian for one,   he says that Gerry came back to the table about 9.25/9.30 and they started eating their dinner.
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Offline Benice

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4564 on: August 30, 2015, 10:45:10 AM »
Quote from: Lace on August 30, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
Russell O'Brian for one,   he says that Gerry came back to the table about 9.25/9.30 and they started eating their dinner.

Also Diane Webster who confirmed that Gerry was at the table when Kate raised the alarm.  She remembered what he said when Kate said Madeleine had gone.   i.e. ''She can't have done!'' (or words to that effect).

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ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4565 on: August 30, 2015, 10:48:47 AM »
Quote from: Lace on August 30, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
Russell O'Brian for one,   he says that Gerry came back to the table about 9.25/9.30 and they started eating their dinner.

Right.

But you have to understand that, so far as Faith is concerned, these are not independent witness.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4566 on: August 30, 2015, 10:54:00 AM »
Quote from: Eleanor on August 30, 2015, 10:21:17 AM
But why would Gerry have been at the apartment just before 10pm to even know that she was missing?  He'd did his check at 9pm, and then Matthew at 9.30.  It was Kate's turn at 10pm.

Gerry's check was around 9.15, searching for perhaps 15-20 minutes. Matthew's check is rather controversial ( doesn't seem to know the layout etc of the apartment ). Perhaps it was slotted in to account for a man being away from the table ? By Gerry's timings Kate's alarm was sometime after 22.13 so plenty of time for him to be back at the tapas before the alarm if he was seen by the Smiths.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4567 on: August 30, 2015, 10:55:49 AM »
Quote from: Lace on August 30, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
Russell O'Brian for one,   he says that Gerry came back to the table about 9.25/9.30 and they started eating their dinner.

If he was so late returning, why did Kate decide to check at 9.30pm? Did she intend not to eat her dinner? Did Matt and Russell leave just as dinner was served?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4568 on: August 30, 2015, 10:56:56 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
If he was so late returning, why did Kate decide to check at 9.30pm? Did she intend not to eat her dinner? Did Matt and Russell leave just as dinner was served?

Good questions.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4569 on: August 30, 2015, 10:57:53 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on August 30, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
If he was so late returning, why did Kate decide to check at 9.30pm? Did she intend not to eat her dinner? Did Matt and Russell leave just as dinner was served?

we don't have every detail so you can make up anything you like...but that's all it is...make believe
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stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4570 on: August 30, 2015, 10:58:47 AM »
Quote from: davel on August 30, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
we don't have every detail so you can make up anything you like...but that's all it is...make believe

as could be  the mccanns  version of events.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4571 on: August 30, 2015, 10:59:30 AM »
so maddie fell off the balcony onto a very soft landing on  the bushes below and immediately died...it's more probable she was abducted by aliens
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4572 on: August 30, 2015, 11:00:38 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on August 30, 2015, 10:58:47 AM
as could be  the mccanns  version of events.

that would be for the experts to decide...the police...who are investigating a stranger abduction
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stephen25000

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4573 on: August 30, 2015, 11:06:34 AM »
Quote from: davel on August 30, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
that would be for the experts to decide...the police...who are investigating a stranger abduction

No dave.

That is in a court of law.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #4574 on: August 30, 2015, 11:11:40 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on August 30, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
No dave.

That is in a court of law.

a court of law does not decide innocence as I have explained to you before
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