Amaral and the dogs

[Eleanor]

"The sofa alert, I believe, was to historic blood."
Yes it is possible it is historic IMO.
Probably during construction the tiler got a small cut while cutting a tile.
A few drops of blood dripped onto the cement then tiles were laid on the cement.
What year was this block built?

I agree.  Chipped pieces of tiles are lethal.

[faithlilly]

I agree.  Chipped pieces of tiles are lethal.

Absolutely. Which just leaves Eddie's single alert in the bedroom to explain.

[pegasus]

you have just admitted to speculation...if you do not know exactly where everyone was at every specific time then your timeline is made up

That is bad news for the professors in the History Department.

[Carana]

Just commenting on "The sofa alert, I believe, was to historic blood."
Yes it is possible it is historic IMO.
Probably during construction the tiler got a small cut while cutting a tile.
A few drops of blood dripped onto the cement then tiles were laid on the cement.
What year was this block built?

Not sure. Mid- to late- '80s?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052055/Holiday-apartment-Madeleine-McCann-went-missing-goes-sale-250-000.html

[pegasus]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm
PJ forensics of the tiles and cement.
Then sent to a UK lab.
Do we have a link for the tile cement results from UK lab?

[pegasus]

Not sure. Mid- to late- '80s?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052055/Holiday-apartment-Madeleine-McCann-went-missing-goes-sale-250-000.html

Thanks. Found an advert says the similar block 4 was built 1991.

[ferryman]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm
PJ forensics of the tiles and cement.
Then sent to a UK lab.
Do we have a link for the tile cement results from UK lab?

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material on the wet swab (3B) from the same area was unsuccessful in that no profile was obtained.

(Will add more in an edit)

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material recovered from the edges of tile 2 286/2007-CRL(2) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from a further area on tile 2 and two areas on tile 3 (286/2007-CRL(3) were unsuccessful in that no profiles were obtained.

(And more to follow) ......

This is the meat, I think:

286/2007-CRL (15) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (16) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 1
A DNA profile that did not match any [of the five members] of the McCann family was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area.

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

286/2007-CRL (18) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 3
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 14

286/2007-CRL (19) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 4
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.

286/2007-CRL (20) Fragments of floor tile and grouting
The attempt to obtain a result through LCN from any cellular material that may have been in these fragments was unfruitful, given that no profile was obtained, possibly due to the absence of sufficient good quality DNA.


That's it ....

[pegasus]

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material on the wet swab (3B) from the same area was unsuccessful in that no profile was obtained.

(Will add more in an edit)

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material recovered from the edges of tile 2 286/2007-CRL(2) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material recovered from a further area on tile 2 and two areas on tile 3 (286/2007-CRL(3) were unsuccessful in that no profiles were obtained.

(And more to follow) ......

We can't tell which of the tile or cement samples was the blood Keela alerted to.

[ferryman]

We can't tell which of the tile or cement samples was the blood Keela alerted to.

Everything forwarded to the lab was alerted to by Keela.

[Eleanor]

We can't tell which of the tile or cement samples was the blood Keela alerted to.

All of it, probably.  Keela can't tell he difference.  But no DNA from any of The McCanns.  Probably the tile layer or the tile lifter or both.

[ferryman]

We can't tell which of the tile or cement samples was the blood Keela alerted to.

Madeleine's name features just once in John Lowe's report:

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3a). The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive; it is not possible attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.


It doesn't say whereabouts in the holiday apartment* that was taken from.

Edited in accordance with Carana's post below.

[pegasus]

Mr Amaral's theory (add interviews to book) its timeline IMO allows only a few minutes from his timing of hypothetical discovery to his timing of exit from apartment. You could say it is one of several ways to explain sofa but it makes no reason for cupboard or garden and so it doesn't work IMO.

[Jean-Pierre]

so no one decides innocence...

the police decide who to investigate...without investigation no evidence...no evidence no court case..

so the police decide who to investigate...who they believe and therefore who goes to court...you would have to agree

Stephen is correct. One cannot be declared innocent, because the presumption is that one is innocent.

The role of the police is to investigate, not to decide upon guilt or innocence.   

[mercury]

Madeleine's name features just once in John Lowe's report:

An incomplete DNA result was obtained from cellular material on the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3a). The swab contained very little information and showed low level indications of DNA from more than one person. However, all of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann. LCN DNA profiling is highly sensitive; it is not possible attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid.


It doesn't say whereabouts in the villa that was taken from.

It says from the apartment floor (living room obviously)
See sentence immediately before the very first thing you quoted in the Lowe report.

[Mr Gray]

Stephen is correct. One cannot be declared innocent, because the presumption is that one is innocent.

The role of the police is to investigate, not to decide upon guilt or innocence.   

you are not correct...i have already said no one decides innocence on the post you commented on....however the police do not investigate those they THINK are innocent and therefore those people never go to court...hence to a certain extent it is what the police BELIEVE that shapes a case ...not the court...

I hope that clarifies the matter for you.


i have made this point re innocence before because in many cases...the mccanns are one....it is totally impossible for suspects to prove their innocence...even if they are found not guilty by a court