Amaral and the dogs

[Mr Gray]

The alerts were vauable intelligence Dave1.
It's remarkable thet you dont pick up on this:-
If the clothing was unattended and laying in a wardrobe at the time, the later alert of it in NO WAY implies any guilt whatsoever of the individual person who happened to own the clothes but was 50m away and couldn't even see them, does it?
Are you interested in proving this witness is innocent?  I have just given you a very good argument to prove that point - but you won't be interested. Why not?

I'm not interested in proving any witness innocent..it's impossible....people have to be proved guilty.
The alerts are totally meaningless. I don't think there was ever a cadaver in 5A..Certainly not long enough for remnant scent to develop

[ferryman]

We are merely pointing out, calmly and rationally, why the alerts are not worth an incriminating bean.

Ask the experts like Mark Harrison and Corte Real (from the Portuguese lab) ...

It is the people trying to suggest otherwise that are having apoplectic fits.

[slartibartfast]

We are merely pointing out, calmly and rationally, why the alerts are not worth an incriminating bean.

Ask the experts like Mark Harrison and Corte Real (from the Portuguese lab) ...

It is the people trying to suggest otherwise that are having apoplectic fits.

The dog alerts are not worthless they indicate areas to be forensically tested. Forensics are not yet able to extract usable information in all cases. UK law does not allow uncorroborated dig alerts as evidence, hence Grimes caveats.

[Alfred R Jones]

The dog alerts are not worthless they indicate areas to be forensically tested. Forensics are not yet able to extract usable information in all cases. UK law does not allow uncorroborated dig alerts as evidence, hence Grimes caveats.

what's UK law got to do with anything?

[Mr Gray]

The dog alerts are not worthless they indicate areas to be forensically tested. Forensics are not yet able to extract usable information in all cases. UK law does not allow uncorroborated dig alerts as evidence, hence Grimes caveats.

So what do the alerts tell us
Can you answer that question because no one else can

[Alfred R Jones]

The only visible fits are those like you DESPERATELY trying to discredit the dogs indications for all you are worth.

If they had no value you would not be typing day in day out on this topic.

why are you desperately trying to persuade us that the dog alerts have evidential value?

[ferryman]

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

Mark Harrison.

Who are these people who pretend to know better than the experts?

[stephen25000]

why are you desperately trying to persuade us that the dog alerts have evidential value?

Desperate ???

They are indications.

2 options, a body was detected or there wasn't.

Now tell me alfred, what else has emerged in this case ?

[slartibartfast]

what's UK law got to do with anything?

In other legal jurisdictions, uncorroborated dog alerts are accepted as evidence.

[slartibartfast]

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

Mark Harrison.

Who are these people who pretend to know better than the experts?

Mark Harrison wasn't the expert.

[ferryman]

In other legal jurisdictions, uncorroborated dog alerts are accepted as evidence.

Any reputable court in the world would have slung out dogs' reactions from the (shelved) Madeleine enquiry.

[Alfred R Jones]

In other legal jurisdictions, uncorroborated dog alerts are accepted as evidence.

The McCanns would not have been tried in the UK, so what has UK law got to do with it?

[ferryman]

Mark Harrison wasn't the expert.

Then who was?

You?

[Alfred R Jones]

Desperate ???

They are indications.

2 options, a body was detected or there wasn't.

Now tell me alfred, what else has emerged in this case ?

So the alerts tell us there was a 50/50 chance that a corpse lay in Apt 5a.  Big wow. 

[slartibartfast]

Then who was?

You?

Grime