Amaral and the dogs

[ferryman]

There's also this, from Grime's PdL profile:

I am an U.K.A.C.P.O. accredited police dog training instructor in post at the

Operational Support Services. I am a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E.

and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide

Search Advisor, Mark Harrison, I advise Domestic and International Law

enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of

Homicide investigation.

It seems that claim was investigated by the enquiry into Haut de la Garenne and found to be untrue ....

[ferryman]

From Operation Rectangle

there is an e-mail exchange between him [CO Power] and
DCO HARPER dated 10 May 2008 in which CO POWER raises the
question of the continued use of Martin GRIME and his EVRD. He
says ‘Lenny, it has struck me for some time that he [Mr GRIME] is an
expensive resource who has more than his fair shared of down time’.
DCO HARPER replied in the same e-mail string ‘to be fair to him
though, he hasn’t got much down time as he is also the NPIA search
coordinator and is fully employed’. CO POWER replies ‘Thanks.
Better understood now’. CO POWER does not appear to pursue the
matter further.
3.10.15 However, DCO HARPER’s reply was not factually accurate.
Martin GRIME was neither an NPIA search advisor nor fully
employed. In his statement, Martin GRIME states that ‘I am a Subject
Matter Expert registered with the UK National Policing Improvement
Agency and specialist homicide canine search advisor… I advise
Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of police dogs in the role of homicide
investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable
evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training’. His expertise lay
purely in the use of dogs in searching, not as a 'search co-ordinator'.

[mercury]

I do seem to recall (and sadly cannot remember where from so don't shoot me) that Harrison was in the past a dog handler, and had worked with Grime. 

So that may be why he was specifically recommended

Harrison in his national advisory role back in 2005 had gone and tested Keela and was impressed.
(Source: South Yorkshire police kids' zone "dog diary" now defunct but available via the way back machine site)

He wasn't her trainer or handler ever. AFAIAW. It is  also highly probable if not fact he knew of Eddie's work and training history. I expect these dogs were recommended on the basis of successes, much as some like to turn this into a potential "why did Harrison recommend a crook" theme!!

[Miss Taken Identity]

Inconclusive forensic results, does not mean the dogs indicated incorrectly dave.

Indeed. this is where people get all confused or try to confus other by putting their own take on things!

[Mr Gray]

Indeed. this is where people get all confused or try to confus other by putting their own take on things!

I don't put my own take on things
I simply accept what grime says

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't put my own take on things
I simply accept what grime says

apologies for typos- cold hands... brrr

So what is the issue then?. The dogs alerted to something...

[mercury]

Madeleine was not last seen in the flower bed, the wardrobe or behind the sofa in 5a, nor was she seen in the Renault Scenic between 3 & 10 weeks later.

Madeleine was last seen in apartment 5a where at least two alerts by Eddie have not been blood or explained .....they remain indications/intelligence given by a cadaver dog....you know what I meant....

When are we going to get a rolly eyes smiley?

[mercury]

So what do the alerts tell us
Can you answer that question because no one else can

Grime says they suggest cadaverscent contaminant...somethng it seems you are incapable of letting sink in for some reason. There is exactly where the base lies, whatever is on top!

[Mr Gray]

Grime says they suggest cadaverscent contaminant...somethng it seems you are incapable of letting sink in for some reason. There is exactly where the base lies, whatever is on top!

you are right for once...he says they suggest...not that they confirm

[Mr Gray]

apologies for typos- cold hands... brrr

So what is the issue then?. The dogs alerted to something...

who says the dogs alerted to something

according to the PJreport they did not alert until being repeatedly led back to places they had ignored

[Miss Taken Identity]

who says the dogs alerted to something

according to the PJreport they did not alert until being repeatedly led back to places they had ignored

Grime?   the video... police files...

[Mr Gray]

Grime?   the video... police files...

grime says the alerts are suggestive.....the videos are heavily edited...the police files question the alerts

[Carana]

There's also this, from Grime's PdL profile:

I am an U.K.A.C.P.O. accredited police dog training instructor in post at the

Operational Support Services. I am a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E.

and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide

Search Advisor, Mark Harrison, I advise Domestic and International Law

enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of

Homicide investigation.

It seems that claim was investigated by the enquiry into Haut de la Garenne and found to be untrue ....

I haven't seen anything about him being an advisor in canine deployment to be untrue.

What seems to have gone wrong in Jersey was what you'd posted earlier in this thread: he ended up being the de facto deputy crime scene manager to the forensic service manager. And I haven't seen anything to suggest that he was qualified for that job.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3566.msg263530#msg263530

Reading up, FM.

It was Harper who'd stated that Grime was "also the NPIA search
coordinator". No idea where Harper got that idea from.

[mercury]

you are right for once...he says they suggest...not that they confirm

A) I am frequently right, sometimes wrong, not the other way around
B) Suggest/indicate is good enough for me from a professional and ( officially said) an uncorroborated cadaver dog alert is justifiable cause for concern....especially if it is in the last place a missing person was......logic dictates this anyway....
C) Unsure why you use the word confirm when no one else uses it here, is it because you are backtracking from...means nothing at all/rubbish ??

 

[Mr Gray]

the role of the dogs was to detect forensically recoverable evidence...they didn't find any