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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5040 on: September 05, 2015, 09:23:18 PM »
No one needs to, the professionals concluded the alerts were due to what the dogs were trained for, they were under no obligation to explain the minutiae of how dogs work and that should be the end of the story. But labour it ad infinitum, even Hercules stopped at 12
Martin Grime is onLinkedIn...as a professional yourself garnering a thousand pound a day if you could, you could join and email him for the answer, it's not hard


Rubbish. You quoted "drug and explosives dogs"...  A rather very very different scenario.

A complete inability to understand the evidence
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5041 on: September 05, 2015, 09:31:29 PM »


A complete inability to understand the evidence
Most would understand the problem with phone predictive text and posting on a small screen
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5042 on: September 05, 2015, 10:51:24 PM »
I meant to add, - so many excuses.

...and all the excuses have to be valid for innocence.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Online Eleanor

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5043 on: September 06, 2015, 10:56:03 AM »

That's it, Folks.  Back On Topic.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5044 on: September 06, 2015, 10:35:01 PM »
Eddie alerted at one place in the garden - why?.


Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5045 on: September 06, 2015, 11:15:26 PM »
Eddie alerted at one place in the garden - why?.

Was Eddie's alert in the garden consistent in style with his other alerts?

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5046 on: September 06, 2015, 11:22:57 PM »
Was Eddie's alert in the garden consistent in style with his other alerts?

Not in the slightest ... I would have difficulty in recognising it as an alert at all in comparison to the occasions when he barked his head off.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5047 on: September 06, 2015, 11:31:29 PM »
Not in the slightest ... I would have difficulty in recognising it as an alert at all in comparison to the occasions when he barked his head off.


It's odd - in one of the videos it sounds like a sneeze, in another which has the sound somewhat amplified the alert is a single bark. Either way, it's not how he was trained to alert.
 The dogs had spent a while with his nose in foliage so maybe a twig had got up his nose & hurt him.
Quite how the corner of the garden could be worked into Amaral's thesis timeline of the 10 minute disposal has yet to be adequately explained.

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5048 on: September 07, 2015, 12:09:35 AM »
Was Eddie's alert in the garden consistent in style with his other alerts?

Considering the alerts were correct in to alerting what was trained for and considering the lack  of physical remains, both garden and the verandah alerts (both one bark each IIRC) may well have been different to a concentrated and not a "dispersed in the environment remnant scent"






Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5049 on: September 07, 2015, 12:19:02 AM »
Considering the alerts were correct in to alerting what was trained for and considering the lack  of physical remains, both garden and the verandah alerts (both one bark each IIRC) may well have been different to a concentrated and not a "dispersed in the environment remnant scent"

Was Eddie trained to give different numbers of barks dependant on how concentrated the odour he was trained to detect actually smelt?

Offline mercury

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5050 on: September 07, 2015, 01:06:05 AM »
Was Eddie trained to give different numbers of barks dependant on how concentrated the odour he was trained to detect actually smelt?
I'm pretty sure he probably wasn't but
Why are you asking me? I offered a layman's  opinion given the locations of the alerts...
In the end all we have is  that Grime assessed his cadaver dog alerted to cadaverscent contaminant...(discounting the car where he said it could be blood due to both dogs alerting separately and together to a certain spot)

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5051 on: September 07, 2015, 01:10:52 AM »
Was Eddie trained to give different numbers of barks dependant on how concentrated the odour he was trained to detect actually smelt?

No but any outdoor scent would be weaker if a death happened in the apartment. If there was a body inside then it had to be moved out and Eddie indicated the way. If you leave that way you can see the tapas table and if the coast is clear and if it wasn't then any body would have to be placed down out of sight. MG wanted to further investigate that area with his dogs.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5052 on: September 07, 2015, 01:21:07 AM »
No but any outdoor scent would be weaker if a death happened in the apartment. If there was a body inside then it had to be moved out and Eddie indicated the way. If you leave that way you can see the tapas table and if the coast is clear and if it wasn't then any body would have to be placed down out of sight. MG wanted to further investigate that area with his dogs.

Can you see up & down the street Rua DFGM from the balcony?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5053 on: September 07, 2015, 01:36:58 AM »
Can you see up & down the street Rua DFGM from the balcony?

You could see if any checkers had left the table. Body next to the wall in the garden and retrieve it after checking all his clear. That is a safer way because you are not seen carrying anything until you know it's clear. The dark path was a safer route if it was never used at night. Jes used the lit road pavement route and so did the checkers so it would be foolish to go the same way.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2015, 01:40:37 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #5054 on: September 07, 2015, 01:44:14 AM »
You could see if any checkers had left the table. Body next to the wall in the garden and retrieve it after checking all his clear. That is a safer way because you are not seen carrying anything until you know it's clear. The dark path was a safe route if it was never used at night. Jes used the lit road pavement route and so did the checkers so it would be foolish to go that same way.

Can you see people who may be walking up & down the street Rua DFGM from the balcony or the garden - or do you have to exit the garden gate first? Simple question.
At the time you claim move 1 took place Jez's route did not enter into the equation.