Amaral and the dogs

[stephen25000]

True.

But Stephen will get upset if you say things like that ...

If you think I am upset you are sorely mistaken.

I am not the person who has attacked Martin Grime relentlessly without even any experience of this area of forensic work whatsoever.

It merely adds to the distinct impression that what the dogs indicated is of paramount importance and every effort is being made therefore to attack Grime, and inplicitly the dogs as well.

[Brietta]

If you think I am upset you are sorely mistaken.

I am not the person who has attacked Martin Grime relentlessly without even any experience of this area of forensic work whatsoever.

It merely adds to the distinct impression that what the dogs indicated is of paramount importance and every effort is being made therefore to attack Grime, and inplicitly the dogs as well.

I think you are quite mistaken when you make the claim that posters are denigrating Mr Grime when in fact they are supporting what he clearly says in his statements.

[Mr Gray]

If you think I am upset you are sorely mistaken.

I am not the person who has attacked Martin Grime relentlessly without even any experience of this area of forensic work whatsoever.

It merely adds to the distinct impression that what the dogs indicated is of paramount importance and every effort is being made therefore to attack Grime, and inplicitly the dogs as well.

how can it be important when grime himself say the alerts have no evidential reliability

[stephen25000]

how can it be important when grime himself say the alerts have no evidential reliability

Yet you and other mccann supporters keep posting on this thread.

 

[Mr Gray]

Yet you and other mccann supporters keep posting on this thread.

 

to correct the lies as I have already said

[stephen25000]

My dogs brilliant
Was on a shoot (edited) and when it came to totting up although I only had two pheasants I explained that the dog had alerted in15 other places and someone must have removed them giving me a total of 17..my explanation that dogs don't lie was met with ridicule

Edited ?

Where exactly ?

[Mr Gray]

Edited ?

Where exactly ?

not by me

[ferryman]

I think you are quite mistaken when you make the claim that posters are denigrating Mr Grime when in fact they are supporting what he clearly says in his statements.

I am deeply critical of Martin Grime.

I think he was heedless and cavalier.

[stephen25000]

not by me

Tell me dave, what is the consequence of shooting pheasants outside the period of October 1st to  January 31st  which is regulated by UK law?


https://www.gov.uk/hunting/overview

[stephen25000]

I am deeply critical of Martin Grime.

I think he was heedless and cavalier.

Irrelevant.

[Mr Gray]

I am deeply critical of Martin Grime.

I think he was heedless and cavalier.

I was initially supportive but since reading the criticism of Grime by the PJ I realise how poorly the dogs performed..I feel Grime should have been much more open in his interpretation of the alerts.

[Brietta]

I am deeply critical of Martin Grime.

I think he was heedless and cavalier.

I can sympathise with that.  But I think there was far more put on his shoulders than would be normal practice in an investigation where he would be working with another handler and reporting to senior management who knew what they were about using the dogs as a tool not as a conclusion.
He was used to turning up with his dogs ... doing the job with them ... reporting back ... and that was that.  On to the next job and next report.

I don't think there would have been all this "dogs don't lie" nonsense but for the false leaks to the press about forensics bolstered by the release of the videos on the internet.  That wasn't down to Martin Grime and I think he was probably quite dismayed by it. 

[ferryman]

Irrelevant.

Even after Amaral has lost his appeal?

[stephen25000]

Even after Amaral has lost his appeal?

Let's wait and see.

[Mr Gray]

Tell me dave, what is the consequence of shooting pheasants outside the period of October 1st to  January 31st  which is regulated by UK law?


https://www.gov.uk/hunting/overview

I was on a family holiday in Portugal at the time