Amaral and the dogs

[ferryman]

Reference for MH's remit, or the villa warrant approved on 2nd Aug 2007, or for the villa video?

From Harrison's report, this is where he makes reference to the places Madeleine neither lived in nor went near:

In complying with these terms [Harrison's terms of reference] I undertook a series of briefings and site visits. These were with GNR and PJ personnel who had been involved in the previous searches conducted the week following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in Praia da Luz.
 
The output of this process of reconnaissance and review was a written document entitled “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.

It recommended considering re searching:
 
- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.
- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.
- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.
- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.
- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.
 
These recommendations were based on the fact that these areas had not been previously searched with the specific intent to locate Madeleine McCann’s concealed and deceased body and that the areas recommended afforded likely and obvious places to consider for concealment in such an investigation.

Do you get the impression Harrison words that as if they are his recommendations?

I don't.

And notice a conspicuous absence: no reference to the gym.

How did that come about?

The only explanation I am aware of is the one in Amaral's book.

[Eleanor]

What is a gash hand?  It is not a term I am familiar with, sorry.

Gash Hand is a Naval term for someone surplus to requirements.

[pegasus]

Gash Hand is a Naval term for someone surplus to requirements.

It seems that Eddie is surplus to the requirements of some theories

[Alice Purjorick]

You would place sceptics' understanding of alerts above the understanding of Harrison?

As Harrison is or was a visiting professor in his subject I doubt anyone on here has a superior knowledge and understanding of his particular field.

Mr (professor?) Harrison appears to have said many things but I believe these to be relevant.

“The use of a specialist EVRD and CSI dog could potentially indicate on whether Madeleine’s blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but has been removed”. He later in the same document qualifies this to say it is “intelligence rather than evidence”. So we have a sort of dichotomy: intelligence v evidence.

He also says:
“This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive”.

[ferryman]

It seems that Eddie is surplus to the requirements of some theories

No fault of the dog, but Eddie contributed nothing to the sum of knowledge about what happened (or didn't happen!) to Madeleine.

Perhaps not strictly true.

Eddie certainly confirmed that Madeleine went nowhere near the Renault Scenic.

But after that, you struggle ....

[Alfred R Jones]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gash-hand
gash hand
Definition of gash hand in English:
noun
A person not assigned a particular job; a general dogsbody.
Origin
1940s; earliest use found in The British Medical Journal.

In my profession generally further refined to mean someone without the necessary specialist knowledge of or training in the subject matter under discussion.

Well you learn something new every day.  So, what is it you want me to post a link to anyway, and why?  I was simply agreeing with Davel's post, I need supply nothing apart from proof of my agreement, which you already have.

[Mr Gray]

As Harrison is or was a visiting professor in his subject I doubt anyone on here has a superior knowledge and understanding of his particular field.

Mr (professor?) Harrison appears to have said many things but I believe these to be relevant.

“The use of a specialist EVRD and CSI dog could potentially indicate on whether Madeleine’s blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but has been removed”. He later in the same document qualifies this to say it is “intelligence rather than evidence”. So we have a sort of dichotomy: intelligence v evidence.

He also says:
“This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive”.

you are being economical with the truth...Harrison goes on to say that the alerts have no evidential value.....so there is no dichotomy...it seems you do not understand the alerts either...what do you think the alerts tell us

[Mr Gray]

As Harrison is or was a visiting professor in his subject I doubt anyone on here has a superior knowledge and understanding of his particular field.

Mr (professor?) Harrison appears to have said many things but I believe these to be relevant.

“The use of a specialist EVRD and CSI dog could potentially indicate on whether Madeleine’s blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but has been removed”. He later in the same document qualifies this to say it is “intelligence rather than evidence”. So we have a sort of dichotomy: intelligence v evidence.

He also says:
“This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive”.

Harrison was a professor on earth and ocean sciences...nothing to do with dogs...

[ferryman]

As Harrison is or was a visiting professor in his subject I doubt anyone on here has a superior knowledge and understanding of his particular field.

Mr (professor?) Harrison appears to have said many things but I believe these to be relevant.

“The use of a specialist EVRD and CSI dog could potentially indicate on whether Madeleine’s blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but has been removed”. He later in the same document qualifies this to say it is “intelligence rather than evidence”. So we have a sort of dichotomy: intelligence v evidence.

He also says:
“This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive”.

The part I underline is perplexing, I do agree.

I can't think Harrison didn't know that we don't  send (and never have sent) dogs to America to be trained on human remains.

There are at least two (separate) FOI answers that confirm Eddie was no exception to the general rule.

It is clear from Harrison's reports that he simply quit trying to sustain an untruth he realised was unsustainable.

On your other point, yes, Harrison seems to have been (genuinely) impressed with the efforts of the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine, and I am very happy to respect Harrison's professional judgement on that one.

[Alice Purjorick]

The part I underline is perplexing, I do agree.

I can't think Harrison didn't know that we don't  send (and never have sent) dogs to America to be trained on human remains.

There are at least two (separate) FOI answers that confirm Eddie was no exception to the general rule.

It is clear from Harrison's reports that he simply quit trying to sustain an untruth he realised was unsustainable.

On your other point, yes, Harrison seems to have been (genuinely) impressed with the efforts of the GNR dog-handlers to try to find Madeleine, and I am very happy to respect Harrison's professional judgement on that one.

To what personal advantage?

[ferryman]

To what personal advantage?

No idea.

[G-Unit]

No.

Tacit criticism (of Grime) is Harrison referring to the participation of Grime and his dogs in inspections he (Harrison!) recommended: holiday apartments, the Murats' villa and areas in and around PdL; but excluding reference to Grime and his dogs in inspections he (Harrison) had nothing to do with; the places or things Madeleine never went near:

The timeline of these searches was as follows:
 
On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.
 
On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.
 
On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.
 
Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.
 
On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.
 
On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.
 
On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.
 
On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.
 
On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by PJ officers.
 

I can only find one mention of Grime by Harrison, when he refers in his rog interview to a meeting with various people including Grime. I can't find any other mention of Grime by name.

[ferryman]

I can only find one mention of Grime by Harrison, when he refers in his rog interview to a meeting with various people including Grime. I can't find any other mention of Grime by name.

Perhaps you need to re-read my post ....

[stephen25000]

 Now who said this I wonder ?


'The dogs do not get confused. They transmit a behavioural response inspired by the recognition of the odour for which they were trained.'


 &%+((£

[Jean-Pierre]

A brief reminder.

The dogs made alerts.

That is what they were trained to do.

Dogs have no agenda, they respond to stimuli, as these did

The forensic results indicated human remains but no more than that.

Since the 3 rd May 2007, not one trace of Madeleine, despite all the publicity surrounding the case.

Those who want to believe she will return alive and unharmed are welcome to their fantasies.

P.S.  Not one piece of evidence, let alone forensics to indicate abduction. The investigation remains at ground zero. So no change on that.

Human remains, Stephen?

Cite please