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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on April 10, 2023, 11:32:13 AM
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12 months ago I added this to my profile.
“ Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”
Let’s count the months, shall we?”
How closer are we to Brueckner being charged with anything in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance?
Same time next year eh?
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The Trial for the other five charges will have to come first.
My mind is still in abeyance on The Madeleine Affair.
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The Trial for the other five charges will have to come first.
My mind is still in abeyance on The Madeleine Affair.
That wouldn’t stop them bringing charges. It appears that there’s not enough evidence even to do that.
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12 months ago I added this to my profile.
“ Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”
Let’s count the months, shall we?”
How closer are we to Brueckner being charged with anything in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance?
Same time next year eh?
Hard to tell, Article 6 of the ECHR says (see below), trouble is no charges have been laid against CB in relation to Madeleine ,save in press releases.
1 In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law.
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That wouldn’t stop them bringing charges. It appears that there’s not enough evidence even to do that.
No one knows what evidence they have. Sad to say that I no longer care all that much. I just want to see Brueckner locked up for a very long time and I don't care how they do it so long as he is found Guilty of whatever.
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12 months ago I added this to my profile.
“ Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”
Let’s count the months, shall we?”
How closer are we to Brueckner being charged with anything in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance?
Same time next year eh?
It's all a big game to some people isn't it? Come back in a year for another gloat. Or maybe not. Perhaps you'll be laughing on the other side of your face by then.
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No one knows what evidence they have. Sad to say that I no longer care all that much. I just want to see Brueckner locked up for a very long time and I don't care how they do it so long as he is found Guilty of whatever.
I absolutely agree. Let’s hope that something sticks and he is locked up for a very long time. I very much doubt that it will be anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance though.
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I absolutely agree. Let’s hope that something sticks and he is locked up for a very long time. I very much doubt that it will be anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance though.
"very much hope" more like.
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I absolutely agree. Let’s hope that something sticks and he is locked up for a very long time. I very much doubt that it will be anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance though.
Sad to say that Madeleine is still on the back burner. But it has been 16 years so another couple of years won't make much difference, except perhaps to The McCanns.
Madeleine wasn't, or isn't my child and so I cannot feel the pain. To most McCann Supporters the whole thing has always been academic. Find the proof against anyone.
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Some crimes go unsolved or at least unresolved for many, many years. The fact that the police have yet to bring charges against the key suspect should not imo be an excuse for mockery or gloating and yet it appears that that is precisely what is happening here on this thread and often on other threads thanks to the trolls and WUMs who get their kicks from such childish behavour. It's time people behaved like adults and realised that just because a crime is complex and difficult to solve doesn't mean that the police are not on the right track. Anyone with an ounce of decency would be hoping for a positive outcome from this investigation, and by that I mean the successful prosecution of the culprit that took Madeleine from her bedroom.
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Some crimes go unsolved or at least unresolved for many, many years. The fact that the police have yet to bring charges against the key suspect should not imo be an excuse for mockery or gloating and yet it appears that that is precisely what is happening here on this thread and often on other threads thanks to the trolls and WUMs who get their kicks from such childish behavour. It's time people behaved like adults and realised that just because a crime is complex and difficult to solve doesn't mean that the police are not on the right track. Anyone with an ounce of decency would be hoping for a positive outcome from this investigation, and by that I mean the successful prosecution of the culprit that took Madeleine from her bedroom.
It is amusing to watch the "but what about the ... ... ... " showing so little regard for the victims of the crimes with which Brueckner is currently charged.
What about the three rape victims whose cases are on hold while Brueckner's lawyers protect his right to a fair trial? There are also the sexual assaults on children to be considered as the authorities weigh their rights and Brueckner's rights in the same legal argument involving all five indictments.
In what way have indictments speeded up progress to trial?
There is a log jam here ~ and until it is resolved and it decided not if but where Brueckner will face trial we are stuck with it.
All part of the legal process and presently the ball is with Brueckner's lawyers. It is all very time consuming but if they seem to be in no hurry to be getting on with it, why the furore?
Madeleine's case is unlikely to be dealt with in court any sooner than anyone else's even if Brueckner was charged. We are watching the delay happening with five charges already ~ why would it benefit anyone to add a sixth delay.
Brueckner has rights and his legal team is defending them to the hilt. So who is defending the rights of the victims. Is that objectionable for some people. I think it seems so.
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Some crimes go unsolved or at least unresolved for many, many years. The fact that the police have yet to bring charges against the key suspect should not imo be an excuse for mockery or gloating and yet it appears that that is precisely what is happening here on this thread and often on other threads thanks to the trolls and WUMs who get their kicks from such childish behavour. It's time people behaved like adults and realised that just because a crime is complex and difficult to solve doesn't mean that the police are not on the right track. Anyone with an ounce of decency would be hoping for a positive outcome from this investigation, and by that I mean the successful prosecution of the culprit that took Madeleine from her bedroom.
And Brueckner deserves the right to a fair trial which is not happening because of prolonged legal arguments by his defence team.
One presumes they have consulted their client on this manoeuvre and he is on board with the delay caused.
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And Brueckner deserves the right to a fair trial which is not happening because of prolonged legal arguments by his defence team.
One presumes they have consulted their client on this manoeuvre and he is on board with the delay caused.
There are witnesses and a police arrest involved in the child sexual abuse charges. I will be most surprised if they don't get him on those two before his present sentence runs out. So time enough later to decide on what to do about Madeline. There is no real hurry anymore. After sixteen years why would there be?
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There are witnesses and a police arrest involved in the child sexual abuse charges. I will be most surprised if they don't get him on those two before his present sentence runs out. So time enough later to decide on what to do about Madeline. There is no real hurry anymore. After sixteen years why would there be?
He was arrested in flagrante by an off duty police officer attending the event with her family.
Interestingly witnesses thought he was accompanied by another man who fled the scene.
I wonder why it has been left to the German police to prosecute this man for a crime committed on Portuguese soil, against Portuguese children and arrested by a Portuguese police officer which in any jurisdiction would be a slam dunk case.
What is this guy's get out of jail free card when even retired cop Amaral goes out of his way to champion him.
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He was arrested in flagrante by an off duty police officer attending the event with her family.
Interestingly witnesses thought he was accompanied by another man who fled the scene.
I wonder why it has been left to the German police to prosecute this man for a crime committed on Portuguese soil, against Portuguese children and arrested by a Portuguese police officer which in any jurisdiction would be a slam dunk case.
What is this guy's get out of jail free card when even retired cop Amaral goes out of his way to champion him.
It is all looking rather nasty. Will the Portuguese police officer be called as a witness at Brueckner's trial in Germany? That will be interesting.
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He was arrested in flagrante by an off duty police officer attending the event with her family.
Interestingly witnesses thought he was accompanied by another man who fled the scene.
I wonder why it has been left to the German police to prosecute this man for a crime committed on Portuguese soil, against Portuguese children and arrested by a Portuguese police officer which in any jurisdiction would be a slam dunk case.
What is this guy's get out of jail free card when even retired cop Amaral goes out of his way to champion him.
Yep, very interesting that with such a witness as a policewoman, it seems as though .
I wonder which and why?it was hushed up or they couldn't be bothered
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Yep, very interesting that with such a witness as a policewoman, it seems as though .
I wonder which and why?it was hushed up or they couldn't be bothered
It was hushed up. Or Portugal doesn't care about it's own children. Or both.
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It was hushed up. Or Portugal doesn't care about it's own children. Or both.
Neither, it seems, do the U.K. 4,500 individuals convicted of child sex abuse spent not one day in prison.
Absolutely shocking.
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Neither, it seems, do the U.K. 4,500 individuals convicted of child sex abuse spent not one day in prison.
Absolutely shocking.
Yes, there was that 25 year old man in Scotland convicted of child rape recently who got community service, outrageous!
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Neither, it seems, do the U.K. 4,500 individuals convicted of child sex abuse spent not one day in prison.
Absolutely shocking.
Ah well, there wouldn't be room for them all.
What would be needed is a designated 'Paedophile Island' where they could serve out their time, far away from any temptation
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Yes, there was that 25 year old man in Scotland convicted of child rape recently who got community service, outrageous!
Seems the police did their job, they did find the evidence to bring him to trial. It's the court system which might be the problem.
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Neither, it seems, do the U.K. 4,500 individuals convicted of child sex abuse spent not one day in prison.
Absolutely shocking.
Labour’s claim fact-checked
In the first of the attack adverts released by Labour last week, the party claimed that under the Conservatives, 4,500 adults convicted of sexually assaulting children under 16 served no time in prison.
The ad relies on Ministry of Justice data, which is accurate but is from 2010 to the first half of last year, which extends to before Sunak was an MP but also includes the time when Sir Keir Starmer was director of public prosecutions and sat on the Sentencing Council, which sets sentencing guidelines. In 2012 it set out guidelines suggesting that not all child sex abusers should automatically be jailed.
It is judges and magistrates who decide on sentences for criminals rather than politicians, but parliament can set minimum and maximum sentences. Labour claimed the lenient punishments were due in part to problems within the criminal justice system including case backlogs and crowded prisons.
In 2020, according to the Sentencing Academy, the average sentence for sexual assault of a child under 13 in 2020 was three years and eight months, up from two years and three months in 2010 when Labour was last in power.
There was a gradual increase in the average sentence for the offence before it peaked in 2019.
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Ah well, there wouldn't be room for them all.
What would be needed is a designated 'Paedophile Island' where they could serve out their time, far away from any temptation
Something like Alcatraz Island perhaps. In my opinion CB can't be described as a paedophile as he isn't primarily or exclusively attracted to children. He's an abuser pure and simple; any female of any age will do.
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Something like Alcatraz Island perhaps. In my opinion CB can't be described as a paedophile as he isn't primarily or exclusively attracted to children. He's an abuser pure and simple; any female of any age will do.
I think you’ll find that many if not most people described as paedophiles are quite capable of being attracted to or at least having sex with adults. So Gary Glitter is not a paedophile, nor Jimmy Savile by your definition then?
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I think you’ll find that many if not most people described as paedophiles are quite capable of being attracted to or at least having sex with adults. So Gary Glitter is not a paedophile, nor Jimmy Savile by your definition then?
Sexuality is a complex subject. Homosexual people married the opposite sex when their preferences were illegal, but would have preferred same sex relationships. Sex is one thing, but romance is another, and it seems to me that a true paedophile is more likely to have romantic feelings about a child, just as a homosexual is more likely to have those feelings about someone of the same sex.
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Sexuality is a complex subject. Homosexual people married the opposite sex when their preferences were illegal, but would have preferred same sex relationships. Sex is one thing, but romance is another, and it seems to me that a true paedophile is more likely to have romantic feelings about a child, just as a homosexual is more likely to have those feelings about someone of the same sex.
It seems you are saying people should only be labelled paedophiles if they have romantic attachments to pre-pubescent children, do correct me if I'm wrong. That would discount Savile, Glitter, Ian Brady, Ian Huntley, every man (or woman) who has ever abducted and murdered a child, or photographed or downloaded indecent images of children, the large majority of those who have criminal records for committing acts of child abuse. In fact you seem to be saying that people can no more help being paedophiles than they can help being gay, which maybe in fact be true but your apparent need to separate the term "paedophile" from the crimes that such people commit against children is somewhat baffling. Actually, no it's not - it's just another example of your semantic quibbling. IMO.
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It seems you are saying people should only be labelled paedophiles if they have romantic attachments to pre-pubescent children, do correct me if I'm wrong. That would discount Savile, Glitter, Ian Brady, Ian Huntley, every man (or woman) who has ever abducted and murdered a child, or photographed or downloaded indecent images of children, the large majority of those who have criminal records for committing acts of child abuse. In fact you seem to be saying that people can no more help being paedophiles than they can help being gay, which maybe in fact be true but your apparent need to separate the term "paedophile" from the crimes that such people commit against children is somewhat baffling. Actually, no it's not - it's just another example of your semantic quibbling. IMO.
People, including in particular journalists, use the paedophile label very readily. It's not 'semantic quibbling' to make people aware that not all paedophiles are child abusers and not all child abusers are paedophiles.
Given the ages of those abused by CB, paedophile seems to be a label which only applies to some of his offenses.
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People, including in particular journalists, use the paedophile label very readily. It's not 'semantic quibbling' to make people aware that not all paedophiles are child abusers and not all child abusers are paedophiles.
Given the ages of those abused by CB, paedophile seems to be a label which only applies to some of his offenses.
Is CB a paedo who rapes adult women, or a rapist who is also a paedo ?
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People, including in particular journalists, use the paedophile label very readily. It's not 'semantic quibbling' to make people aware that not all paedophiles are child abusers and not all child abusers are paedophiles.
Given the ages of those abused by CB, paedophile seems to be a label which only applies to some of his offenses.
Do you really think anyone here needs to be educated by you on the subject? Are you going to protest every time someone labels Jimmy Savile or Gary Glitter a paedohile, or is it only CB who you feel merits your protection from being labelled thus? Could it be that by denying that he is a paedophile that it makes him (in your eyes) less likely to have abducted a child to sexually abuse and murder? I wonder…
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People, including in particular journalists, use the paedophile label very readily. It's not 'semantic quibbling' to make people aware that not all paedophiles are child abusers and not all child abusers are paedophiles.
Given the ages of those abused by CB, paedophile seems to be a label which only applies to some of his offenses.
So that's alright then.
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Is CB a paedo who rapes adult women, or a rapist who is also a paedo ?
I cannot quite believe you posted that "question". Certainly says a lot though.
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Is CB a paedo who rapes adult women, or a rapist who is also a paedo ?
Christian Brueckner is a Human Being, first & foremost.
Then a burglar, then a rapist & then a paedophile. Although, I think he was a paedophile before he committed any burglaries or rapes. I think. I dunno, I suppose it all depends on which crime he committed first really. But I'm sticking with burgling rapist & paedophile because I think that sounds best.
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Christian Brueckner is a Human Being, first & foremost.
Then a burglar, then a rapist & then a paedophile. Although, I think he was a paedophile before he committed any burglaries or rapes. I think. I dunno, I suppose it all depends on which crime he committed first really. But I'm sticking with burgling rapist & paedophile because I think that sounds best.
CB a man of many talents within the criminal fraternity, a hero to some!
I want him to be guilty for 3 reasons
1. I just don't like him and his savage rapes he has been found guilty of. Please make it legal for someone to remove his head from his body!
2. He could expose the parents complicities by telling us where he grabbed MBM from? the apartment or the street
3. It would show the McCanns asthe despicable people they are MY OPINION as they still hold onto 'she is alive' mantra and the money they gained to 'help find her'.
MBM was tortured and I believe murdered and her little body disposed of.
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CB a man of many talents within the criminal fraternity, a hero to some!
I want him to be guilty for 3 reasons
1. I just don't like him and his savage rapes he has been found guilty of. Please make it legal for someone to remove his head from his body!
2. He could expose the parents complicities by telling us where he grabbed MBM from? the apartment or the street
3. It would show the McCanns asthe despicable people they are MY OPINION as they still hold onto 'she is alive' mantra and the money they gained to 'help find her'.
MBM was tortured and I believe murdered and her little body disposed of.
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A post which epitomises the sheer abomination of the disregard of the pain and suffering being endured by the McCann family.
The visceral hatred shown for a family who spent last week watching an international police endeavour to trace what might remain of their innocent little girl is a disgrace.
If it doesn't bring this forum into disrepute I really do not know what does.
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A post which epitomises the sheer abomination of the disregard of the pain and suffering being endured by the McCann family.
The visceral hatred shown for a family who spent last week watching an international police endeavour to trace what might remain of their innocent little girl is a disgrace.
If it doesn't bring this forum into disrepute I really do not know what does.
Critical thinking and Free speech...tsk tsk whatever next!