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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on April 02, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
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In my opinion Brexit is the saviour of this great country. Saved from the hoards of economic migrants which would otherwise have been dumped on us by the EU.
The political representation of our great cities like London has in a matter of a few decades been transformed into something totally unrecognisable. Ethnic minorities now control the common vote in most of our cities and that is something which cannot be tolerated any longer. Enough is enough I say and millions agree with me!
I suggest the UK stops immigration completely and repatriates the illegals.
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I would also like to see a policy whereby those allowed into the country to work are time barred and must return back to where they came from eventually taking all family born here with them.
The time for pussyfooting around has passed, the UK government must take a very strong line towards all immigration and like Australia, only those with approved trades should be allowed in.
Failure to take positive action now will destroy our heritage for ever imho.
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In my opinion Brexit is the saviour of this great country. Saved from the hoards of economic migrants which would otherwise have been dumped on us by the EU.
The political representation of our great cities like London has in a matter of a few decades been transformed into something totally unrecognisable. Ethnic minorities now control the common vote in most of our cities and that is something which cannot be tolerated any longer. Enough is enough I say and millions agree with me!
I suggest the UK stops immigration completely and repatriates the illegals.
The majority has indeed made its views known with respect to immigration to the UK so it is up to Theresa May and her government to ensure that new and sufficient safeguards are now put in place to protect British society into the next decade and beyond.
Do you think that immigration from places like the Irish Republic, Canada, New Zealand and Australia should be included in any new arrangements?
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The majority has indeed made its views known with respect to immigration to the UK so it is up to Theresa May and her government to ensure that new and sufficient safeguards are now put in place to protect British society into the next decade and beyond.
Do you think that immigration from places like the Irish Republic, Canada, New Zealand and Australia should be included in any new arrangements?
I think it is only a matter of time before there are restrictions put on those coming to work in the UK from other Commonwealth countries and Ireland.
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In my opinion Brexit is the saviour of this great country. Saved from the hoards of economic migrants which would otherwise have been dumped on us by the EU.
The political representation of our great cities like London has in a matter of a few decades been transformed into something totally unrecognisable. Ethnic minorities now control the common vote in most of our cities and that is something which cannot be tolerated any longer. Enough is enough I say and millions agree with me!
I suggest the UK stops immigration completely and repatriates the illegals.
The country needs economic migrants. Fact.
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Brexit was not all about immigration , I think if people voted just for that then they are going to be disappointed , we need immigration to survive! I voted for Brexit but on the basis I don't agree with the free movement of people here from Europe and the unfairness of this club where we were paying in more than others and getting less out.
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Brexit was not all about immigration , I think if people voted just for that then they are going to be disappointed , we need immigration to survive! I voted for Brexit but on the basis I don't agree with the free movement of people here from Europe and the unfairness of this club where we were paying in more than others and getting less out.
Welcome to the forum IndigoJ. I would add the caveat that we might need migrant workers to keep the UK on the economic rails but they should not be allowed residency. Five years and off they go imo.
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*&(+(+ for the welcome, ive done a quick intro which is waiting approval
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In my opinion Brexit is the saviour of this great country. Saved from the hoards of economic migrants which would otherwise have been dumped on us by the EU.
The political representation of our great cities like London has in a matter of a few decades been transformed into something totally unrecognisable. Ethnic minorities now control the common vote in most of our cities and that is something which cannot be tolerated any longer. Enough is enough I say and millions agree with me!
I suggest the UK stops immigration completely and repatriates the illegals.
- Have you actually read "Free movement and migration within the EU and rights to claim benefits – the myths and the facts"?
"There are three recurring myths about EU rules on migration and benefits.
First, it is a myth that EU law gives all EU citizens an unconditional right to reside freely in the UK or another Member State. In reality, this right is subject to important restrictions.
Second, it is a myth that EU law means that EU migrants are automatically entitled to claim benefits in the UK or another Member State. In fact, EU rules require migrants to meet stringent requirements before they can be eligible either for means tested “social assistance” benefits like housing benefit and income support or for social security benefits like child benefit, invalidity benefit or contribution-based Jobseekers’ Allowance.
The third, linked, myth is that EU rules somehow encourage so-called benefit tourism. In fact, the rules are designed to prevent “benefit tourism”."
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/getting-the-facts-straight-eu-rights-to-reside-in-another-member-state-eu-benefit-claimants-and-nhs-treatment-entitlement/
If the UK has had more lenient rules that the rest of the EU, how is the EU to blame?
- I'm not sure what your problem is with people of an ethnic minority, whatever you mean by that. But, for argument's sake, which EU country would you describe as having a majority of "ethnic minorities" citizens that reside in the UK?
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Brexit was not all about immigration , I think if people voted just for that then they are going to be disappointed , we need immigration to survive! I voted for Brexit but on the basis I don't agree with the free movement of people here from Europe and the unfairness of this club where we were paying in more than others and getting less out.
I know a lot of people were taken in by the Leave £350-a-week for the NHS red-bus slogan... but that fact is it's is simply not true.
It IS true that the UK pays more in than it gets back in pure financial terms (I worked it out on a different thread, and came up with £175m a week (I was taking into account discretionary direct grants as well. Other calculations make it more than my figure, but still way off the £350m mark).
However, there appears to be no way of calculating how much the loss of frictionless trade will cost (no one seems to know), but I suspect that it will be one hell of a lot more than £175m a week.
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I would also like to see a policy whereby those allowed into the country to work are time barred and must return back to where they came from eventually taking all family born here with them.
The time for pussyfooting around has passed, the UK government must take a very strong line towards all immigration and like Australia, only those with approved trades should be allowed in.
Failure to take positive action now will destroy our heritage for ever imho.
Conversely, do you think all UK expats (why on earth ARE UK citizens called "expats" as opposed to
"emigrants"?), who've worked and settled in other EU countries, including retirees, be deported back to the UK?
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The majority has indeed made its views known with respect to immigration to the UK so it is up to Theresa May and her government to ensure that new and sufficient safeguards are now put in place to protect British society into the next decade and beyond.
Do you think that immigration from places like the Irish Republic, Canada, New Zealand and Australia should be included in any new arrangements?
Ireland is a different issue.
Other than that:
List of Commonwealth countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations
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I would also like to see a policy whereby those allowed into the country to work are time barred and must return back to where they came from eventually taking all family born here with them.
The time for pussyfooting around has passed, the UK government must take a very strong line towards all immigration and like Australia, only those with approved trades should be allowed in.
Failure to take positive action now will destroy our heritage for ever imho.
What do you mean by "our heritage"?
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James O'Brien's Caller Voted Brexit Because There Are "Too Many Brown Faces" In His Hospital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGlKclTMNSs
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James O'Brien's Caller Voted Brexit Because There Are "Too Many Brown Faces" In His Hospital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGlKclTMNSs
It's all a matter of perpective. Less than 15% of population is of ethnic minority [give or take so lets not debate whether its 12% or 18% it makes no never mind].
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/articles/ethnicityandnationalidentityinenglandandwales/2012-12-11
Where I live the response now would be blimey as many as that.
Where I lived for the previous 25 years the response would be blimey as few as that.
Looking at comments on another thread about "grooming"; it has been a known problem for nearly 30 years so The Times should not be buffing its lapels, more asking where it has had it's head most of that time.
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It's all a matter of perpective. Less than 15% of population is of ethnic minority [give or take so lets not debate whether its 12% or 18% it makes no never mind].
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/articles/ethnicityandnationalidentityinenglandandwales/2012-12-11
Where I live the response now would be blimey as many as that.
Where I lived for the previous 25 years the response would be blimey as few as that.
Looking at comments on another thread about "grooming"; it has been a known problem for nearly 30 years so The Times should not be buffing its lapels, more asking where it has had it's head most of that time.
But what relates the grooming scandals to the EU?
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Conversely, do you think all UK expats (why on earth ARE UK citizens called "expats" as opposed to
"emigrants"?), who've worked and settled in other EU countries, including retirees, be deported back to the UK?
My experience of Brits abroad is the majority of them are of independent means and do not live off the State unlike economic migrants to the UK who bring nothing with them but take all they can get.
There is no reason why skilled migrants cannot come and work in the UK but it should be by temporary visa only.
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But what relates the grooming scandals to the EU?
Nothing.
Controlling immigration from the EU will not affect the immigration of those shown mostly responsible for grooming as they are not subject to much control being members of the Commonwealth.
Go to Stoke,Rotherham,Rochdale,Luton and ask how long grooming has been a known problem amongst the general population then draw your own conclusions.
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My experience of Brits abroad is the majority of them are of independent means and do not live off the State unlike economic migrants to the UK who bring nothing with them but take all they can get.
There is no reason why skilled migrants cannot come and work in the UK but it should be by temporary visa only.
Hmmm.
EU migrants pay £20bn more in taxes than they receive
Academics find UK-born population represents a net cost
Helen Warrell in London November 5, 2014
European immigrants to the UK paid much more in taxes than they received in benefits over the past decade, making a net fiscal contribution of £20bn, say researchers.
The research by academics at University College London comes at a time of fierce debate over freedom of movement within the EU.
https://www.ft.com/content/c49043a8-6447-11e4-b219-00144feabdc0
Key findings
In 2015-16, EEA nationals paid £15.5 billion more Income Tax and National
Insurance than they took out in tax credits and Child Benefit. This is £1.9 billion
higher than in 2014
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/735522/Income_Tax__NICs__tax_credits_and_Child_Benefit_statistics_for_EEA_nationals_2015_to_2016.pdf
Full fact:
https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/
What qualifies as "skilled"? Why temporary visas only? By that rationale, a top cancer specialist could work in the UK, but only temporarily, preferably leaving spouse and any kids back home.
If there's a shortage of, e.g., plumbers or construction workers, would they qualify as skilled or not?
What about people who do all the unskilled sh*ty jobs that nationals don't want to do?
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It's all a matter of perpective. Less than 15% of population is of ethnic minority [give or take so lets not debate whether its 12% or 18% it makes no never mind].
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/articles/ethnicityandnationalidentityinenglandandwales/2012-12-11
Where I live the response now would be blimey as many as that.
Where I lived for the previous 25 years the response would be blimey as few as that.
Looking at comments on another thread about "grooming"; it has been a known problem for nearly 30 years so The Times should not be buffing its lapels, more asking where it has had it's head most of that time.
Agree. I can understand the perception that there are areas of cities where a national can feel they've landed on a different continent and a certain amount of resentment at that. At the same time, my observation is that at least some countries with "ghetto" clusters tend to be former colonial powers and / or countries that reached out for cheap labour from particular countries and tended to be "parked" en masse in particular areas, presumably close to where the industries needed them.
However, in a city that I know well, in a country with no former colonial ties, there are immigrants from well over 100 countries (admittedly with a higher proportion of a few) but spread out throughout the city. The "ghetto" phenomenon simply doesn't exist, which has led me to think that the issue is not the foreigners themselves, but the lack of an integration policy.
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Agree. I can understand the perception that there are areas of cities where a national can feel they've landed on a different continent and a certain amount of resentment at that. At the same time, my observation is that at least some countries with "ghetto" clusters tend to be former colonial powers and / or countries that reached out for cheap labour from particular countries and tended to be "parked" en masse in particular areas, presumably close to where the industries needed them.
However, in a city that I know well, in a country with no former colonial ties, there are immigrants from well over 100 countries (admittedly with a higher proportion of a few) but spread out throughout the city. The "ghetto" phenomenon simply doesn't exist, which has led me to think that the issue is not the foreigners themselves, but the lack of an integration policy.
I would not disagree.That in part because the government of whatever flavour of has a history of dumping the responsiblity onto local/district councils which are ill equipped to deal with it; and has done for years. Another problem has been our willingness to encourage the wholesale import of other cultures in the name of political correctness which has disenfranchised some of the younger element. For example coming to or growing up in a western society which has promised freedom to the immigrant but allowed the old restrictive practices of the "village elderman" to prevail. It's easy to see how the younger element will be pissed off with both sides.
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I would not disagree.That honest Money Mutual review is fantastic (https://www.sfgate.com/market/article/money-mutual-review-17589642.php) in part because the government of whatever flavour of has a history of dumping the responsiblity onto local/district councils which are ill equipped to deal with it; and has done for years. Another problem has been our willingness to encourage the wholesale import of other cultures in the name of political correctness which has disenfranchised some of the younger element. For example coming to or growing up in a western society which has promised freedom to the immigrant but allowed the old restrictive practices of the "village elderman" to prevail. It's easy to see how the younger element will be pissed off with both sides.
I don't think the lack of integration policy is to blame here. You cannot integrate people who do not wish to be integrated. It's as simple as that.
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I don't think the lack of integration policy is to blame here. You cannot integrate people who do not wish to be integrated. It's as simple as that.
You could start by banning all religious schools and make a secular education for all children in this country mandatory, with no religious garb or symbols permitted to be worn by children.
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Oh dear Carana. John and Angelo have made up their minds that immigration is a terribly bad thing and must be stopped. Please don’t confuse them with the facts.
The slight flaw in their argument is of course that virtually everyone is an immigrant. Who are the native people of the United Kingdom? Over the centuries waves of immigration from (off the top of my head) Rome, Gaul,saxony, Germany, east Europe, Scandinavia, China, Indian sub continent, Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, not to mention the mix of race and religion that all add something to the mix. This has resulted in Britain becoming a throving, diverse society rich in culture, art and trading and academic and research ability.
The ‘little england’ mentality of demanding we pull up the drawbridge and say ‘no more furriners’ is laughable. And will result in a loss of the very thing that makes this country great.
How many generations do we need to go back to find where John and Angelos forebears emigrated from.
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Oh dear Carana. John and Angelo have made up their minds that immigration is a terribly bad thing and must be stopped. Please don’t confuse them with the facts.
The slight flaw in their argument is of course that virtually everyone is an immigrant. Who are the native people of the United Kingdom? Over the centuries waves of immigration from (off the top of my head) Rome, Gaul,saxony, Germany, east Europe, Scandinavia, China, Indian sub continent, Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, not to mention the mix of race and religion that all add something to the mix. This has resulted in Britain becoming a throving, diverse society rich in culture, art and trading and academic and research ability.
The ‘little england’ mentality of demanding we pull up the drawbridge and say ‘no more furriners’ is laughable. And will result in a loss of the very thing that makes this country great.
How many generations do we need to go back to find where John and Angelos forebears emigrated from.
”Angelo” - isn’t he from high up a mountain in Mexico?
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”Angelo” - isn’t he from high up a mountain in Mexico?
Quite possibly. 8(0(*
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Oh dear Carana. John and Angelo have made up their minds that immigration is a terribly bad thing and must be stopped. Please don’t confuse them with the facts.
The slight flaw in their argument is of course that virtually everyone is an immigrant. Who are the native people of the United Kingdom? Over the centuries waves of immigration from (off the top of my head) Rome, Gaul,saxony, Germany, east Europe, Scandinavia, China, Indian sub continent, Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, not to mention the mix of race and religion that all add something to the mix. This has resulted in Britain becoming a throving, diverse society rich in culture, art and trading and academic and research ability.
The ‘little england’ mentality of demanding we pull up the drawbridge and say ‘no more furriners’ is laughable. And will result in a loss of the very thing that makes this country great.
How many generations do we need to go back to find where John and Angelos forebears emigrated from.
I do my best to keep out of forum personality squabbles. ;)
I found this quite interesting:
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1073909794162032640