Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[G-Unit]

No one has, said the dogs are not useful.... Grime explains it very well

Are you saying that calling all cadaver dogs 'incredibly unreliable' doesn't amount to trying to cast doubt on their usefulness?

[Mr Gray]

Are you saying that calling all cadaver dogs 'incredibly unreliable' doesn't amount to trying to cast doubt on their usefulness?

No I don't think it does... It depends on the context.... Grime himself explains that the alerts themselves are not reliable enough to be used as evidence

[Lace]

Are you saying that calling all cadaver dogs 'incredibly unreliable' doesn't amount to trying to cast doubt on their usefulness?

Do you mind if I asked you a question G-Unit?   You don't have to answer obviously.   

Do you believe that Eddie's alerts were reliable? 

[pathfinder73]

Within THREE HOURS OF DEATH!!

Exactly!

[Lace]

Exactly!

So are you saying that Madeleine lay dead in 5a for up to three hours?

[G-Unit]

Do you mind if I asked you a question G-Unit?   You don't have to answer obviously.   

Do you believe that Eddie's alerts were reliable?

I don't know what you mean by 'reliable', but I believe that Grime's evidence could have been used in court as part of a body of circumstantial evidence just as a dog handler's evidence was used in the Suzanne Pilley case.

[Sunny]

No I don't think it does... It depends on the context.... Grime himself explains that the alerts themselves are not reliable enough to be used as evidence

He didn't question their reliability Davel.  He simply said that no evidential reliability could be made without corroborating evidence. As you well know.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

He didn't question their reliability Davel.  He simply said that no evidential reliability could be made without corroborating evidence. As you well know.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

He said in his opinion it was suggestive... That doesn't sound reliable to me

He said they had no evidential reliability... That doesn't sound reliable to me

[Mr Gray]

I don't know what you mean by 'reliable', but I believe that Grime's evidence could have been used in court as part of a body of circumstantial evidence just as a dog handler's evidence was used in the Suzanne Pilley case.

I will take Grimes opinion rather than yours... No evidential reliability

[G-Unit]

I will take Grimes opinion rather than yours... No evidential reliability

I expect he said exactly the same about Morse's alerts in the Bianca Jones case, but his evidence helped to convict her killer. You don't seem to understand that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful.

[Eleanor]

I expect he said exactly the same about Morse's alerts in the Bianca Jones case, but his evidence helped to convict her killer. You don't seem to understand that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful.

What other Corroborating Evidence?

[Mr Gray]

I expect he said exactly the same about Morse's alerts in the Bianca Jones case, but his evidence helped to convict her killer. You don't seem to understand that Grime was referring to the alerts on their own. As part of a collection of other corroborating evidence they are very useful.

I doubt very much he said the same... Do you ha e a cite

[Sunny]

I doubt very much he said the same... Do you ha e a cite

I have already given one Davel, to which you replied.  Here it is again.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.

It is quite clear what he is saying and it is NOT that the dog was unreliable.

[Mr Gray]

I have already given one Davel, to which you replied.  Here it is again.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.

It is quite clear what he is saying and it is NOT that the dog was unreliable.

A cite fir the bianca Jones case... Read the post again... If the alerts were reliable they would need no corrobiration

[Robittybob1]

What other Corroborating Evidence?

That was up to the PJ to find some. 

Some attempts:
Deleted text messages.
Inconsistencies in their statements.
Lack of confirmed alibi.
Political interference.
Getting the media involved.
All these were additional suspicions but they never were able to be put into a chain IMO.