Brexit has well and truly begun!

[G-Unit]

Perhaps England and.Wales "have never been in harmony with the EU" but that does not apply to Scotland.and Northern Ireland.
Hence.why the majority in both those.countries voted to remain.

The majority in your country voted to remain part of the UK, so it's time to accept that's your position and that not all Scotland's people agree with you.

[Erngath]

The majority in your country voted to remain part of the UK, so it's time to accept that's your position and that not all Scotland's people agree with you.

Are you telling me I have no right to express my own opinion?
Stripped of "nationhood" by your goodself and now being told to accept a "position" which many others disagree with and which certainly could change.

[G-Unit]

Are you telling me I have no right to express my own opinion?
Stripped of "nationhood" by your goodself and now being told to accept a "position" which many others disagree with and which certainly could change.

Sorry, I didn't reaise you were expressing your own opinion. In my opinion your post seemed to be suggesting that you were expressing the views of all your fellow Scots.

[Erngath]

Sorry, I didn't reaise you were expressing your own opinion. In my opinion your post seemed to be suggesting that you were expressing the views of all your fellow Scots.

Just shows how mistaken your opinion can sometimes be.

[G-Unit]

Just shows how mistaken your opinion can sometimes be.

Or how misleading your posts can be......

[Carana]

A VAT checking system already operates between N Ireland and the Republic of Ireland so no real problem in extending it.  The entire 'backstop' shenanigan is a false flag which suits Dublin as the UK leaving the EU will have serious consequences for Ireland.

It's not just VAT. There are rules of origin issues, regulatory alignment issues.

It's not just about trade, either. A hard border would violate the Good Friday Agreement, but without some form of instrastructure to monitor what's going in and out of the bloc or the UK, there could be massive smuggling and / or dumping.

[Angelo222]

It's not just VAT. There are rules of origin issues, regulatory alignment issues.

It's not just about trade, either. A hard border would violate the Good Friday Agreement, but without some form of instrastructure to monitor what's going in and out of the bloc or the UK, there could be massive smuggling and / or dumping.

This already goes on and lots more besides. People near the border buy their goods and services from whichever side of the border is cheapest.  Meat and fuels are regularly smuggled across the border by criminal gangs associated with former prescribed organisations and that will continue regardless of BREXIT.

[Miss Taken Identity]

A dreadful tax.
She who introduced it in Scotland first, will be long remembered .

Dreadful? in what way.

Juts because it was imposed in an disgraceful way by MT does not make it a bad tax infact I would vote for it now if done properly.

Poll tax was a tax on each individual living in an accomodation. if 5 people over working age lived in a house then fve people would be responsible for their share. The two things I objected to was : the way it was imposed without consultation and proper education as to how it worked.
the second thing was many women who were stay at home mums were chased for this tax if their husbands refused to pay it and spent it on drink/drugs/gambling. therefore it was not an individual taxt at all as described.

What we have now is evil.  bedroom tax?  what if the bedrooms are empty? not enough one bedroom homes are available people suffered greatly.

and what about the widow/er on a pension- who lives alone- paying just 25%less than a family of 5 high earners ? hmm yeah thanks for voting for that much much better.eh?

[Erngath]

Dreadful? in what way.

Juts because it was imposed in an disgraceful way by MT does not make it a bad tax infact I would vote for it now if done properly.

Poll tax was a tax on each individual living in an accomodation. if 5 people over working age lived in a house then fve people would be responsible for their share. The two things I objected to was : the way it was imposed without consultation and proper education as to how it worked.
the second thing was many women who were stay at home mums were chased for this tax if their husbands refused to pay it and spent it on drink/drugs/gambling. therefore it was not an individual taxt at all as described.

What we have now is evil.  bedroom tax?  what if the bedrooms are empty? not enough one bedroom homes are available people suffered greatly.

and what about the widow/er on a pension- who lives alone- paying just 25%less than a family of 5 high earners ? hmm yeah thanks for voting for that much much better.eh?

Your usual presumptive rant.
I assume you think it fair that our son who was a student at the time had to pay a sizeable portion of the poll tax and that people  on moderate incomes paid the same as high earners.
As far as I am aware there is no bedroom tax in Scotland.
A local income tax would in my opinion be a fairer action.

[Sunny]

It's not just VAT. There are rules of origin issues, regulatory alignment issues.

It's not just about trade, either. A hard border would violate the Good Friday Agreement, but without some form of instrastructure to monitor what's going in and out of the bloc or the UK, there could be massive smuggling and / or dumping.

Regulatory alignment wouldn't be a problem for the time being.  Our manufacturing has been aligned with the EU for years.

[Eleanor]

This already goes on and lots more besides. People near the border buy their goods and services from whichever side of the border is cheapest.  Meat and fuels are regularly smuggled across the border by criminal gangs associated with former prescribed organisations and that will continue regardless of BREXIT.

This is undoubtedly true.  But hardly in massive quantities, and probably won't be.

I don't know what is to be done about The Border between North and South Ireland, but Karma springs to my mind.  I think that The North should deal with this.  It is in fact their problem.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Perhaps England and.Wales "have never been in harmony with the EU" but that does not apply to Scotland.and Northern Ireland.
Hence, why the majority in both those countries voted to remain.

The people of scotland whom you claim to speak on behalf  of have never voted to remain in the EU. Due to the fact that Scotland as part of the UK voted to leave. Now you can huff and puff about it but this is the facts:

1 Scottish people was offered Independance from the UK (not just England) they voted NO
2.  The UK with  a legal mandate to include Scotland in national descisions voted Leave the EU

SNP with some of their 2nd 3rd generation Irish voters want to ignore the majority. 

 

[Eleanor]

The people of scotland whom you claim to speak on behalf  of have never voted to remain in the EU. Due to the fact that Scotland as part of the UK voted to leave. Now you can huff and puff about it but this is the facts:

1 Scottish people was offered Independance from the UK (not just England) they voted NO
2.  The UK with  a legal mandate to include Scotland in national descisions voted Leave the EU

SNP with some of their 2nd 3rd generation Irish voters want to ignore the majority. 

 

I am not sure that Irish Voters have much to do with this, although I am half Southern Irish with a passion for Scotland. 

But then I don't need to have a passion for Southern Ireland.  They have sorted their own problems.

[Erngath]

I am not sure that Irish Voters have much to do with this, although I am half Southern Irish with a passion for Scotland. 

But then I don't need to have a passion for Southern Ireland.  They have sorted their own problems.

The reference to 2nd and 3rd generation Irish voters is only one of the misleading statements.
Good luck with responding to the post.

The reference to 2nd and 3rd generation Irish voters is indicative of the attitude of some here  in Scotland who do not like the independence movement, not for political reasons but for entirely different reasons.
I've seen quite enough of Mistaken posts to know exactly her agenda.

[Carana]

Regulatory alignment wouldn't be a problem for the time being.  Our manufacturing has been aligned with the EU for years.

So far. But in the event of a no-deal, what's to stop the UK importing goods (e.g. meat products or whatever else) from e.g. the US or elsewhere with lower phytosanitary standards and trying to re-export it via Ireland to the rest of the EU?

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/06/13/clean-break-why-the-sanitary-and-phytosanitary-framework-matters/