Brexit has well and truly begun!

[Mr Gray]

Hence the backstop which the DUP won't accept.

Hence no solution

[Erngath]

I veer between caring a lot and then not caring at all.  The whole thing is very fatiguing, I wish it was all over.

Possibly the feelings of most!

[barrier]

We signed a Treaty with Ireland saying we wouldn't create a boder between NI and the Republic. The EU won't allow an open border though.

There in lies the problem imo with the eu,two nations have an agreement but this agreement can't be allowed because the eu say so.

[G-Unit]

There in lies the problem imo with the eu,two nations have an agreement but this agreement can't be allowed because the eu say so.

The EU have the right to enforce their borders. Northern Ireland is part of the UK and therefore can't expect to have open access to the EU any more than the UK can if Brexit occurs. A semsible solution might be to redefine the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic so that it avoids cutting through people's properties. Unfortunately the words 'sensible solution' appear to be alien concepts to the people in this area imo. 

[Venturi Swirl]

The EU have the right to enforce their borders. Northern Ireland is part of the UK and therefore can't expect to have open access to the EU any more than the UK can if Brexit occurs. A semsible solution might be to redefine the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic so that it avoids cutting through people's properties. Unfortunately the words 'sensible solution' appear to be alien concepts to the people in this area imo.

What difference would that make?

[G-Unit]

What difference would that make?

If the UK leave the EU Northern Ireland will go too and there will have to be border checks in the end. Otherwise goods and people will get in and out through the gap. Arranging a manageable border might be a good idea.

[Venturi Swirl]

If the UK leave the EU Northern Ireland will go too and there will have to be border checks in the end. Otherwise goods and people will get in and out through the gap. Arranging a manageable border might be a good idea.

Ireland both North and South do not want border controls, that is the whole point.

[G-Unit]

Ireland both North and South do not want border controls, that is the whole point.

That, to me, seems unrealistic. If they want an open border then either the Republic should leave the EU or Northern Ireland should leave the UK.

[Venturi Swirl]

That, to me, seems unrealistic. If they want an open border then either the Republic should leave the EU or Northern Ireland should leave the UK.

Northern Ireland does not wish to leave either the UK or the EU.  Why should they have to choose between the two?

[G-Unit]

Northern Ireland does not wish to leave either the UK or the EU.  Why should they have to choose between the two?

Why should the rest of the UK have to be inconvenienced by the intractable desires of just 3% of it's population?

[misty]

Why should the rest of the UK have to be inconvenienced by the intractable desires of just 3% of it's population?

You could also ask why Ireland, Scotland & Wales have to comply with the votes cast by the English. Is one country in the Union allowed to override the wishes of the other three?

[Venturi Swirl]

Why should the rest of the UK have to be inconvenienced by the intractable desires of just 3% of it's population?

Why should the EU be inconvenienced by the intractable desires of just one of 28 member states?

[G-Unit]

You could also ask why Ireland, Scotland & Wales have to comply with the votes cast by the English. Is one country in the Union allowed to override the wishes of the other three?

You mean 'England' not 'the English' surely? We all live in the same sovereign state; the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and we are all ruled by the same Parliament. That's why we are all entitled to vote in Parliamentary Elections and referendums.   

[misty]

You mean 'England' not 'the English' surely? We all live in the same sovereign state; the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and we are all ruled by the same Parliament. That's why we are all entitled to vote in Parliamentary Elections and referendums.

Yes, sorry, I meant England. UK Parliament may have overall control but each country in the Union does not have an equal share in decision-making.

[Carana]

That, to me, seems unrealistic. If they want an open border then either the Republic should leave the EU or Northern Ireland should leave the UK.

Belfast Child (Simple Minds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNzuW5LzI6c