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Offline Erngath

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1545 on: March 19, 2019, 07:26:29 AM »
Yes, sorry, I meant England. UK Parliament may have overall control but each country in the Union does not have an equal share in decision-making.

As Mhairi Black voiced so passionately in Westminster recently , this is not a union of equals.
She may not be everyone's cup of tea, but she certainly reflects the feelings of many Scots at this time.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1546 on: March 19, 2019, 03:04:15 PM »
Yes, sorry, I meant England. UK Parliament may have overall control but each country in the Union does not have an equal share in decision-making.

Each region has the number of constituencies commensurate with it's size, but it's not as simple as that.

The constituences are 533 constituencies in England,59 in Scotland, 40 in Wales, and 18 in Northern Ireland. However. The representatives elected don't need to belong to the country where the constiruency is situated. Scottish people representing English constituences, for exanple, are likely to consider Scottish interests when involved in decision making.
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/53041/1/Richard%20Berry-democraticaudit.com-MPs_are_much_less_local.pdf 
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Offline Erngath

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1547 on: March 19, 2019, 07:29:24 PM »
Each region has the number of constituencies commensurate with it's size, but it's not as simple as that.

The constituences are 533 constituencies in England,59 in Scotland, 40 in Wales, and 18 in Northern Ireland. However. The representatives elected don't need to belong to the country where the constiruency is situated. Scottish people representing English constituences, for exanple, are likely to consider Scottish interests when involved in decision making.
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/53041/1/Richard%20Berry-democraticaudit.com-MPs_are_much_less_local.pdf

Scotland is not a region.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1548 on: March 19, 2019, 11:05:31 PM »
Each region has the number of constituencies commensurate with it's size, but it's not as simple as that.

The constituences are 533 constituencies in England,59 in Scotland, 40 in Wales, and 18 in Northern Ireland. However. The representatives elected don't need to belong to the country where the constiruency is situated. Scottish people representing English constituences, for exanple, are likely to consider Scottish interests when involved in decision making.
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/53041/1/Richard%20Berry-democraticaudit.com-MPs_are_much_less_local.pdf

Scotland, England and Wales are all countries. I'm not sure what Northern Ireland is. None of them, however are sovereign states. They are all regions of the sovereign state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1549 on: March 19, 2019, 11:10:13 PM »
Ten days to go and the decision on the future of the UK now rests with the EU, thanks to our incompetent politicians.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1550 on: March 19, 2019, 11:13:20 PM »
Scotland, England and Wales are all countries. I'm not sure what Northern Ireland is. None of them, however are sovereign states. They are all regions of the sovereign state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Scotland, England and Wales are countries, not regions.  I have never heard of England being referred to as a region before.

region
/ˈriːdʒ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
an area, especially part of a country or the world having definable characteristics but not always fixed boundaries.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Erngath

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1551 on: March 19, 2019, 11:15:58 PM »
Scotland, England and Wales are all countries. I'm not sure what Northern Ireland is. None of them, however are sovereign states. They are all regions of the sovereign state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Hopefully in the case of my much beloved nation, and within my grand childrens lifetime Scotland will not be just a REGION !
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Offline Erngath

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1552 on: March 19, 2019, 11:16:56 PM »
Scotland, England and Wales are countries, not regions.  I have never heard of England being referred to as a region before.

region
/ˈriːdʒ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
an area, especially part of a country or the world having definable characteristics but not always fixed boundaries.

Thank you
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1553 on: March 19, 2019, 11:22:37 PM »
And, for the avoidance of doubt, Northern Ireland is also a country.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline John

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1554 on: March 19, 2019, 11:25:03 PM »
Ten days to go and the decision on the future of the UK now rests with the EU, thanks to our incompetent politicians.

Parliament is an absolute disgrace, I'm so ashamed of this country (UK) as it has become the laughing stock of the world.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1555 on: March 19, 2019, 11:26:21 PM »
This might aid future discussion on the subject of countries, regions and sovereignty



United Kingdom   
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Although not sovereign states, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries (depending on context), which collectively form the United Kingdom—a sovereign state that is also commonly referred to as a country. The United Kingdom is a Union of four separate countries brought about by a series of international treaties and legislated for by several Acts of Union. These include the Acts of Union 1707 in both the English and Scottish parliaments, although by then England and Wales had already united. While a political Union was created, Scotland and England retained distinct churches, legal systems and education systems, as a result, the issue of sovereignty is different in the two countries: in Scotland sovereignty lies with the people, whereas in England sovereignty lies with Parliament and the Monarch.[10][citation needed] Lord President (Lord Cooper) stated that "the principle of the unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle which has no counterpart in Scottish Constitutional Law", and that legislation contrary to the Act of Union would not necessarily be regarded as constitutionally valid.[
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1556 on: March 19, 2019, 11:29:28 PM »
Parliament is an absolute disgrace, I'm so ashamed of this country (UK) as it has become the laughing stock of the world.
It’s been jolly entertaining though!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline John

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1557 on: March 19, 2019, 11:32:59 PM »
If the UK leave the EU Northern Ireland will go too and there will have to be border checks in the end. Otherwise goods and people will get in and out through the gap. Arranging a manageable border might be a good idea.

There's no such thing, the border was porous even when all minor crossings were physically blocked and the UDR and police manned checkpoints at all main crossings. You cannot stop smuggling across the Irish border so electronic controls and spot checks are the only possible solution.

The backstop has been a false flag from day one. The UK will never create a hard border in Ireland ever again and the Irish couldn't do it which leaves the EU and they are hardly in a position to do it either.  Maybe someone with some common sense in our government will eventually get it.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 11:37:57 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1558 on: March 19, 2019, 11:41:16 PM »
Northern Ireland does not wish to leave either the UK or the EU.  Why should they have to choose between the two?

Actually only 35% of the NI electorate voted to REMAIN in the EU.  Incidentally only 40% of Scots electorate voted to REMAIN which makes a nonsense of the rubbish being constantly spouted by the nationalist Sinn Féin and SNP who claim the majority of N Irish and Scots wanted to remain in the EU.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 11:44:59 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1559 on: March 19, 2019, 11:55:30 PM »
Actually only 35% of the NI electorate voted to REMAIN in the EU.  Incidentally only 40% of Scots electorate voted to REMAIN which makes a nonsense of the rubbish being constantly spouted by the nationalist Sinn Féin and SNP who claim the majority of N Irish and Scots wanted to remain in the EU.
Please cite the percentages of the Scottish and NI electorate that voted to LEAVE please.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly