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Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1560 on: March 20, 2019, 12:29:53 AM »
Please cite the percentages of the Scottish and NI electorate that voted to LEAVE please.

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1561 on: March 20, 2019, 07:23:42 AM »
Enjoy
LOL
In England 62% of the electorate either voted to remain or were either unable or unwilling to vote.   And your point is?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1562 on: March 20, 2019, 07:37:54 AM »
It seems Theresa May has requested a short extension. More squabble time......oh joy!
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1563 on: March 20, 2019, 07:40:24 AM »
Business cannot prepare for a no-deal Brexit because the consequences will be as unpredictable and chaotic as after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the government’s budget watchdog has said.

Sir Charlie Bean, the most senior macroeconomist at the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), compared the consequences of no deal to the start of the financial crisis in 2008 during testimony to MPs yesterday.

“The thing about these sorts of disruptive events is that it’s easy to talk about them in the abstract, but working out how they permeate through the economy is almost completely impossible,” he said. “It’s exactly like the aftermath of the collapse of Lehman’s. There are a lot of linkages you don’t realise until you’re living through it. In that sense, there is almost nothing a company can do to prepare for it.”

Well exactly!
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1564 on: March 20, 2019, 08:44:40 AM »
Our politicians have created the situation we find ourselves in, despite their claims to care about the economy, businesses and jobs. We need a new lot if we're going to have to run the UK ourselves imo.
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1565 on: March 20, 2019, 09:41:21 AM »
Our politicians have created the situation we find ourselves in, despite their claims to care about the economy, businesses and jobs. We need a new lot if we're going to have to run the UK ourselves imo.
Replace experienced politicians (who are crap) with inexperienced politicians (who may be even worse).  What a choice.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1566 on: March 20, 2019, 10:42:29 AM »
Replace experienced politicians (who are crap) with inexperienced politicians (who may be even worse).  What a choice.

Perhaps the answer id to change the voting system to one which would require them to learn how to cooperate. The system we have now fosters adversiity. 
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1567 on: March 20, 2019, 11:36:22 AM »
Perhaps the answer id to change the voting system to one which would require them to learn how to cooperate. The system we have now fosters adversiity.
Get rid of party politics altogether and have all MPs standing as independents.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1568 on: March 20, 2019, 11:38:57 AM »
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   UK to lose £1tn of financial assets to Europe due to Brexit
Banks and investors forced to finalise plans only days from set departure date

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Financial services companies have committed to move about £1tn of assets out of the UK into Europe as the industry triggers its worst-case contingency plans with no Brexit deal in sight, according to consultancy EY.

The estimate by EY — which mainly covers client assets and cash moved out of the UK by banks and fund managers as well as the transfer of balance sheets as operations are relocated — has increased by £200bn since the last survey in January.

Banks and investors are now being forced to finalise plans only days from the Brexit deadline, with London’s future trading relationship with the EU still in question after Theresa May failed for a second time to secure parliamentary approval for her deal last week. She now faces having to ask Brussels for an extension to Brexit, causing added uncertainty for businesses in the UK.

The number of jobs likely to move to the continent has remained steady at about 7,000, according to the EY study, which tracks the public declarations of 222 UK-based financial services firms on their intentions to restructure.

About 2,000 new Europe-based roles have already been created since the June 2016 referendum, the consultancy said.

“The relocation of 7,000 high-paid finance jobs will inevitably hit the UK tax base,” said Omar Ali, EY’s head of financial services. “Even using a conservative estimate . . . the direct loss to the Exchequer from employment taxes would be around £600m. In reality, the average salary and therefore tax loss is likely to be much higher.”

At this stage, only the biggest institutions have made concrete commitments. Three-quarters of the 24 global banks tracked have announced significant relocations of operations to Europe, with Frankfurt the most popular destination with 12 lenders bulking up in the German financial capital.

Paris and Dublin are the next most popular with eight and six banks, respectively, EY said. However, the majority of big banks’ operations remain in London at this point.

On Tuesday, US giant Citigroup said its new broker-dealer in Frankfurt was now fully operational and trading for EU clients instead of London, while Bank of America warned there was no going back on the $400m it had already spent leasing offices and moving people to Paris and Dublin.

Similarly, Barclays was given approval by a UK court to move €190bn of assets to its Irish subsidiary because of what a judge called “continuing uncertainty over . . . a ‘no-deal’ Brexit”.

When the entire range of financial firms is considered, the picture is less clear. As of the end of February, only 39 per cent of the 222 surveyed companies had stated their intentions to relocate some operations to Europe, the new survey showed.

The £1tn figure was reached using the statements of the 23 companies, mainly banks, that have already formally announced a shift of assets out of the UK, which means that the “conservative” figure is likely to continue increasing, according to EY.

“As the 29th of March draws nearer, no financial services businesses can know for sure how a disorderly Brexit will impact them, their clients, people and supply chains or the UK economy,” Mr Ali said. “Continued uncertainty will undoubtedly lead to more assets and people being transferred from the UK.”

On Tuesday Andrea Enria, chair of the ECB’s bank supervisory agency, told the FT that he expected about €1.2tn of assets to be moved to fall under its remit.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1569 on: March 20, 2019, 11:58:05 AM »
Parliament has failed to implement the will of the majority so has to be dissolved.  Time for a General Election and I bet the new third party will wipe the Tories and Labour away. A long time coming imo.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1570 on: March 20, 2019, 01:44:51 PM »
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   UK to lose £1tn of financial assets to Europe due to Brexit
Banks and investors forced to finalise plans only days from set departure date

London’s future trading relationship with the EU is still in question © Wael Alreweie/Dreamstime
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Financial services companies have committed to move about £1tn of assets out of the UK into Europe as the industry triggers its worst-case contingency plans with no Brexit deal in sight, according to consultancy EY.

The estimate by EY — which mainly covers client assets and cash moved out of the UK by banks and fund managers as well as the transfer of balance sheets as operations are relocated — has increased by £200bn since the last survey in January.

Banks and investors are now being forced to finalise plans only days from the Brexit deadline, with London’s future trading relationship with the EU still in question after Theresa May failed for a second time to secure parliamentary approval for her deal last week. She now faces having to ask Brussels for an extension to Brexit, causing added uncertainty for businesses in the UK.

The number of jobs likely to move to the continent has remained steady at about 7,000, according to the EY study, which tracks the public declarations of 222 UK-based financial services firms on their intentions to restructure.

About 2,000 new Europe-based roles have already been created since the June 2016 referendum, the consultancy said.

“The relocation of 7,000 high-paid finance jobs will inevitably hit the UK tax base,” said Omar Ali, EY’s head of financial services. “Even using a conservative estimate . . . the direct loss to the Exchequer from employment taxes would be around £600m. In reality, the average salary and therefore tax loss is likely to be much higher.”

At this stage, only the biggest institutions have made concrete commitments. Three-quarters of the 24 global banks tracked have announced significant relocations of operations to Europe, with Frankfurt the most popular destination with 12 lenders bulking up in the German financial capital.

Paris and Dublin are the next most popular with eight and six banks, respectively, EY said. However, the majority of big banks’ operations remain in London at this point.

On Tuesday, US giant Citigroup said its new broker-dealer in Frankfurt was now fully operational and trading for EU clients instead of London, while Bank of America warned there was no going back on the $400m it had already spent leasing offices and moving people to Paris and Dublin.

Similarly, Barclays was given approval by a UK court to move €190bn of assets to its Irish subsidiary because of what a judge called “continuing uncertainty over . . . a ‘no-deal’ Brexit”.

When the entire range of financial firms is considered, the picture is less clear. As of the end of February, only 39 per cent of the 222 surveyed companies had stated their intentions to relocate some operations to Europe, the new survey showed.

The £1tn figure was reached using the statements of the 23 companies, mainly banks, that have already formally announced a shift of assets out of the UK, which means that the “conservative” figure is likely to continue increasing, according to EY.

“As the 29th of March draws nearer, no financial services businesses can know for sure how a disorderly Brexit will impact them, their clients, people and supply chains or the UK economy,” Mr Ali said. “Continued uncertainty will undoubtedly lead to more assets and people being transferred from the UK.”

On Tuesday Andrea Enria, chair of the ECB’s bank supervisory agency, told the FT that he expected about €1.2tn of assets to be moved to fall under its remit.

The Financial Services sector makes up 6.5% of the UK's total economic output. Why is it of sych interest to some?Perhaps because of it's London connection where 50% of the sector is based.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06193
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1571 on: March 20, 2019, 01:51:34 PM »
Parliament has failed to implement the will of the majority so has to be dissolved.  Time for a General Election and I bet the new third party will wipe the Tories and Labour away. A long time coming imo.
Be careful what you wish for.  Jeremy Corbyn to see us out of this mess?  I don’t think so somehow.  And you must be dreaming if a third party would win it at this stage.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1572 on: March 20, 2019, 01:53:35 PM »
The Financial Services sector makes up 6.5% of the UK's total economic output. Why is it of sych interest to some?Perhaps because of it's London connection where 50% of the sector is based.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06193
Are you seeking to downplay  the importance of the financial sector to the economic health of the country? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1573 on: March 20, 2019, 07:27:01 PM »
Are you seeking to downplay  the importance of the financial sector to the economic health of the country?

Just mentioning that there's another 93.5% of the economy to think about.
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Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #1574 on: March 20, 2019, 08:06:01 PM »
Just mentioning that there's another 93.5% of the economy to think about.
And which sectors of the economy do you believe will flourish as a result of a no deal Brexit?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly