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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on April 07, 2013, 12:45:09 AM
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It was revealed that the Portuguese authorities sought the assistance of NASA in the Madeleine McCann disappearance. It is not know what if any assistance this could have brought to the case as by the time any assistance would have materialised the abductor would have been long gone.
Irrespective, it appears that the satellites which would have been of assistance had other business that night over the Arabian Gulf.
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In fact Amaral's camp had a satellite over it that was never revealed, I wonder why Maybe people got afraid that the light of the stars could blind them.
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Not at all, there are a clear group of people who he works with including Paulo Sargento and Júlia Pinheiro for example. Are you not aware of this? I didn't refer to them as a team, merely in his camp a perfectly acceptable term for a group of people who work together frequently and have similar objectives.
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Not at all, there are a clear group of people who he works with including Paulo Sargento and Júlia Pinheiro for example. Are you not aware of this? I didn't refer to them as a team, merely in his camp a perfectly acceptable term for a group of people who work together frequently and have similar objectives.
Poor thing, you are outdated. Obviously you don't know about the satellite. @)(++(*
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Not at all, there are a clear group of people who he works with including Paulo Sargento and Júlia Pinheiro for example. Are you not aware of this? I didn't refer to them as a team, merely in his camp a perfectly acceptable term for a group of people who work together frequently and have similar objectives.
The fact people share some opinions doesn't constitute them as a camp (the word has a military connotation), and even less one's camp ! Would you consider that all the abduction believers form a camp ?
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Sorry to disappoint you I am not only aware of the members of the Amaral camp but aware of Amaral's delusion about the satellite photos too.
Amaral said in an interview with Pedro Mourinho back in 2010, "Hopefully now, it will also be disclosed those photos, those satellite images that we believe to be in the possession of the US authorities, that we, the Portuguese police mentioned first, and also requested, a request that was denied to us."
He went on to tell us what they might reveal too.
"They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement."
Such delusions from Amaral were posted on the Joana Morais site for us all to read.
Yes I know about the satellite. Was that what Amaral was hoping to use as his ace?
That such a delusional man with no understanding of technology such as satellite photography could have been coordinator of the Madeleine McCann case speaks volumes for Portuguese justice.
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Is he for real? Does Amaral really think that people are so stupid as to believe the US diverted a satellite to spy on Praia da Luz and hours after the fact? I have seen some silly things before but this takes the proverbial biscuit. @)(++(*
Luz? Do you actually believe this shite?
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Is he for real? Does Amaral really think that people are so stupid as to believe the US diverted a satellite to spy on Praia da Luz and hours after the fact? I have seen some silly things before but this takes the proverbial biscuit. @)(++(*
Luz? Do you actually believe this shite?
I am afraid he does apparently believe it. The words are direct quotes as translated by his good friend Joana Morais so no chance of any bias against the man in the translation I would not have thought.
There is even more nonsense as well.
G.A. - As I said before, the investigation is an investigation that is interrupted, an investigation that needs to be concluded. I believe that it is possible to make progress, if it wasn't for lack of political will; now with political will, based on this note - which is only a note as you said, but remains an important note nevertheless between two ambassadors, from one ambassador to the US State Department, that must have the weight that it has. Hopefully now, it will also be disclosed those photos, those satellite images that we believe to be in the possession of the US authorities, that we, the Portuguese police mentioned first, and also requested, a request that was denied to us.
P.M. - In your understanding, what could those satellite images reveal?
G.A. - They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement.
P.M. - And those images exist?
G.A. - We believe that, yes. In fact, the McCann couple themselves, said, a few months ago, that they also searched for them; that they don't exist, someone else later stated that they don't exist. It's possible that the site who has divulged the cable might also be able to release those images. That would be interesting.
P.M. - In your opinion, if they exist, why weren't they yet revealed?
G.A. - Well, probably because they are a secret of state somewhere... In fact, the whole investigation was a state secret in England. I remind you that there is documentation in that sense, referring that it is a state secret. We do not understand why it is considered as a state secret. In question is the disappearance, and the likely death of a child, and we still fail to understand why is that considered as state secrecy.
P.M. - You have spoken before on the «political will», do you consider that there was a connivance of the British government with the McCann couple, knowing that the London authorities, and at least we now have that certainty, were indeed aware of the evidence uncovered by the police of their own country. What I want to ask you, in your opinion, in the scope of this document, is, if we can understand a little bit better the manner in which the McCanns left the country?
G.A. - I apologize for stating the obvious, but they have left the country by airplane. And they were well received back in England. What we became increasingly aware was the political influence, of the intervention of the British prime minister at the time, Gordon Brown, of the conversations that he allegedly had we our own prime minister, in October, at the Lisbon Summit - if they indeed spoke on the subject or not, we weren't there to listen, some say they did others say they didn't; but a fact remains, and this was the result: there was a point that the British police officers working on the case had to sign a document as if they belonged to the secret services, requesting their confidentiality so they wouldn't speak about the case. Definitely something strange, not usual under other circumstances. Thus, from then on, and with other elements, that would be too lengthy for us to be here now detailing - remains no doubt that a political intervention, practically, archived the case.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/12/goncalo-amaral-on-wikileaks-release.html
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Is he for real? Does Amaral really think that people are so stupid as to believe the US diverted a satellite to spy on Praia da Luz and hours after the fact? I have seen some silly things before but this takes the proverbial biscuit. @)(++(*
Luz? Do you actually believe this shite?
The US would have to have diverted The Satellite even before the event. That would be going some.
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The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA? @)(++(*
I didn't think NASA had a time machine? Maybe another myth? 8(0(*
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The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA? @)(++(*
I didn't think NASA had a time machine? Maybe another myth? 8(0(*
This one doesn't even qualify as a Myth.
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Setting aside the issue of the likelihood of satellite images of PdL on that particular evening, which authority did Amaral (or a member of his team) contact on this issue?
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Setting aside the issue of the likelihood of satellite images of PdL on that particular evening, which authority did Amaral (or a member of his team) contact on this issue?
I don't know the answer to that. Is there any reference to it in the PJ files or could it just be something he dreamed up after he heard about wikileaks long after he was dismissed from the case?
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The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA? @)(++(*
I didn't think NASA had a time machine? Maybe another myth? 8(0(*
Aside from potential satellites overlooking PDL on that specific evening which could zoom in to identify the child and whoever had taken her, I still have a more mundane issue:
Has the possibility of duplicate keys been verified, or not?
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Setting aside the issue of the likelihood of satellite images of PdL on that particular evening, which authority did Amaral (or a member of his team) contact on this issue?
I don't know the answer to that. Is there any reference to it in the PJ files or could it just be something he dreamed up after he heard about wikileaks long after he was dismissed from the case?
I've never seen anything in the accessible files.
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The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA? @)(++(*
I didn't think NASA had a time machine? Maybe another myth? 8(0(*
Ahhh, but the satellites were deviated that night....
Satellites deviated on the night of the crime
20 October 2009 | Posted by astro Leave a Comment
by João Mira Godinho/Paulo Marcelino
The satellite images of Praia da Luz, on the night of the 3rd of May 2007, were one of the PJ’s first concerns when the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann started. Nonetheless, at that time, the North American authorities informed that they did not exist because the satellites had been deviated that night.
‘It was said that the two geostationary satellites [which could have images of Praia da Luz] were rotated towards the Gulf of Cadiz, where a navy exercise was taking place’, Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ coordinator who led the case investigation, explains to Correio da Manhã.
‘It was a very serious possibility for learning who the abductor was, and more’, says Gonçalo Amaral, adding that the Judiciária wanted the images from the moment of the disappearance, but also ‘those of the hours and even days that preceded it’.
Confronted with the information that the satellites had been deviated, the PJ ended up making no formal request. ‘I have doubts that anyone else tried to access those images’, says the former PJ coordinator, questioning the reason why ‘the McCann couple, that says it is powerful, never tried to obtain the images in order to solve the mysterious disappearance’.
Contacted by Correio da Manhã yesterday, Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry McCann’s spokesperson, justified that ‘the images that existed two years ago were useless’. He states that ‘if there were images, the abductor would have been caught a long time ago’ and denies any recent request from the British authorities to obtain the registers.
‘As far as we know, no diplomatic effort in that sense is being made’, the McCanns’ spokesperson asserted.
The British authorities yesterday denied that they were making any diplomatic contact in order to obtain the North American satellites’ registers.
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source: Correio da Manhã, 20.10.2009
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/10/satellites-deviated-on-night-of-crime.html
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Something not right here.
In a report of 20th October 2010 about the Satellite deviation, Goncalo Amaral says:
‘It was said that the two geostationary satellites [which could have images of Praia da Luz] were rotated towards the Gulf of Cadiz, where a navy exercise was taking place’.
and we are told that the PJ therefore made no formal request for images.
But in a transcript of an Amaral interview on 14th December 2010 we find:
P.M. - In your understanding, what could those satellite images reveal?
G.A. - They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement.
P.M. - And those images exist?
G.A. - We believe that, yes. In fact, the McCann couple themselves, said, a few months ago, that they also searched for them; that they don't exist, someone else later stated that they don't exist. It's possible that the site who has divulged the cable might also be able to release those images. That would be interesting.
P.M. - In your opinion, if they exist, why weren't they yet revealed?
G.A. - Well, probably because they are a secret of state somewhere... In fact, the whole investigation was a state secret in England.
I am failing to see Amaral's logic here. He tells us they don't exist in 2009 and gives the reason for that but tells us in 2010 that they do exist and gives no reason why he has changed his mind.
Is this another discrepancy in the reporting of the case by Amaral?
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His believing in State secrecy is verging on paranoia.
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His believing in State secrecy is verging on paranoia.
He doesn't know that UK Police sign The Official Secrets Act. In Portugal it's The PJ who decide what is Secret or not.
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Something not right here.
In a report of 20th October 2010 about the Satellite deviation, Goncalo Amaral says:
‘It was said that the two geostationary satellites [which could have images of Praia da Luz] were rotated towards the Gulf of Cadiz, where a navy exercise was taking place’.
and we are told that the PJ therefore made no formal request for images.
But in a transcript of an Amaral interview on 14th December 2010 we find:
P.M. - In your understanding, what could those satellite images reveal?
G.A. - They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement.
P.M. - And those images exist?
G.A. - We believe that, yes. In fact, the McCann couple themselves, said, a few months ago, that they also searched for them; that they don't exist, someone else later stated that they don't exist. It's possible that the site who has divulged the cable might also be able to release those images. That would be interesting.
P.M. - In your opinion, if they exist, why weren't they yet revealed?
G.A. - Well, probably because they are a secret of state somewhere... In fact, the whole investigation was a state secret in England.
I am failing to see Amaral's logic here. He tells us they don't exist in 2009 and gives the reason for that but tells us in 2010 that they do exist and gives no reason why he has changed his mind.
Is this another discrepancy in the reporting of the case by Amaral?
Just another clunky translation I expect. 8(0(*
That could be the excuse. In which case they should ask Astro and Joana Morais for an explanation as to why they are making the errors in the translations as they are the responsible parties. Are they deliberately trying to make Amaral look foolish or is he doing it himself and the translations are fine? We need to be told.
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The chances of any satellite having any images which would have been of any use are so minuscule as to be a non starter. Even if there had been a satellite available that night NASA would have had to had several hours notice and that I am afraid was impossible. Another myth for the boiling pot eh?
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That's not necessarily true. Had there been satellite images of the area, a retrospective trawl through them might have revealed some clues. Perhaps a car in an odd position? Its highly unlikely though that such a retrospective look would have revealed anything as significant as a car number plate or a clear view of any individual or what they were carrying. Unless there had been advance warning I doubt that any images of such a remote and non-military area would have been that revealing.
What does still puzzle me is why, when Amaral clearly knew on 20th October 2009** that the satellites had not been in position over PDL he comes out a year later with the claim that the images exist and they could pinpoint an individual? Was he just forgetful or what?
** I have just noticed an error in an earlier post of mine. The date of the quotation about Amaral claiming that the satellites were rotated towards the Gulf of Cadiz was from October 2009, not October 2010. I won't go back to correct it as it has been quoted.
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
The same accusation can be made about the anti side.
Some of us criticise such silly dissection aimed at increasing the poolof information. You will notice that my interventions are usually aimed at stressing how little we know and how little there is to be known.
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The same accusation can be made about the anti side.
Some of us criticise such silly dissection aimed at increasing the poolof information. You will notice that my interventions are usually aimed at stressing how little we know and how little there is to be known.
Most of your interventions are to call doubters "[ censored word ]s", "[ censored word ]s", "crazy" or any combination of the three. You also dance around requesting evidence to back up points (not a bad thing in itself) but it's laughably one-sidedly aimed at the anti-flavoured posts. You let all sorts of pro crap drift by without a word.
At least I have the honesty to declare I'm an anti, albeit a more moderate one than some.
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To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL. Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area. Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
The same accusation can be made about the anti side.
Some of us criticise such silly dissection aimed at increasing the poolof information. You will notice that my interventions are usually aimed at stressing how little we know and how little there is to be known.
Words are easy, but your criticism and openly abusive terminology is directed at the '[ censored word]' or the equivalent.
That is why you are only believed by the supporters of the Mccanns as being 'neutral'.
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To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL. Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area. Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.
No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in". We're not in 1980 anymore.
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
You obviously enjoy perpetuating the myth that the satellites see everything that is beneath them and in fine detail. Afraid atmospherics in most cases only allows so much detail to be seen from such a great height regardless of the lens being used. You shouldn't believe all you see in James Bond movies. @)(++(* 8(0(*
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
You obviously enjoy perpetuating the myth that the satellites see everything that is beneath them and in fine detail. Afraid atmospherics in most cases only allows so much detail to be seen from such a great height regardless of the lens being used. You shouldn't believe all you see in James Bond movies. @)(++(* 8(0(*
You are aware of course that satellite technology is not confined solely to the visible spectrum ? 8)--))
Then of course we have Tanner with X-ray vision. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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You obviously enjoy perpetuating the myth that the satellites see everything that is beneath them and in fine detail. Afraid atmospherics in most cases only allows so much detail to be seen from such a great height regardless of the lens being used. You shouldn't believe all you see in James Bond movies. @)(++(* 8(0(*
OK, so my 4 years working as a software developer for a large defence contractor in the late 90s which specialised in satellite imaging conferred upon me nowhere near the understanding that you have for the science behind this? Oh, I forgot, you're the one who knows more about dog handling than Grime too, aren't you? You're a talented person.
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To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL. Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area. Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.
No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in". We're not in 1980 anymore.
Afraid you've been watching too much science fiction on the box. The cameras have to be trained on a selected area to get anything of consequence. The suggestion that they can read car number plates is preposterous.
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To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL. Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area. Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.
No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in". We're not in 1980 anymore.
Afraid you've been watching too much science fiction on the box. The cameras have to be trained on a selected area to get anything of
consequence. The suggestion that they can read car number plates is preposterous.
Against the flow, geostationary satellites used for mapping and telecommunications cannot read number plates, but low orbit directable satellites are much better in ideal conditions.
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The point which matters about the satellite imagery in this particular case is not so much their accuracy but the fact that having been told that the satellites images were not available in 2009, Amaral suddenly a year later knows that they are available but being hidden behind some secret conspiracy which only Julian Assange can break.
In conjunction with buying into Amaral's belief that these images might pinpoint an individual we are also asked to believe that some massive state secret which clearly must cover the US as well as the UK is hiding these images from the Portuguese authorities and only Wikileaks can come to the rescue.
Well, having been asked to believe it, I for one decline the invitation.
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In my opinion Amaral was looking for another excuse, a scapegoat and somebody else to blame. He has quite a track record for doing this apparently.
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Did he actually request images? If so, who from?
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Did he actually request images? If so, who from?
Definitely not while a copper. Nothing in the files.
Probably didn't know Wikileak address.
Surprised he hasn't been on the phone to Julian now he knows where he is though. He could have nipped over and had a game of cards, awfully boring staying in all the time. That way the ace wouldn't have gone to waste.
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The files only contain the information that will not compromise the prosecution of a future investigation.
Actually the satellite surveillance is much more powerful that any one of us could believe. The US has been using it, for instance, on people whose houses went into foreclosure, traffic, etc.
If you check how much you can see through google earth, imagine what the CIA or the Feds are getting.
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The files only contain the information that will not compromise the prosecution of a future investigation.
Actually the satellite surveillance is much more powerful that any one of us could believe. The US has been using it, for instance, on people whose houses went into foreclosure, traffic, etc.
If you check how much you can see through google earth, imagine what the CIA or the Feds are getting.
Grasping at straws.
I rely on belief in the Magic Blue Unicorn knowing.
Unsupported claims are not respectable and make you look desperate.
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
It is fascinating in light of the pinpoint accuracy that you claim for these satellites that there has been no arrest over the Boston bombing yet. Big US city, Patriots Day, lots going on but no satellites to pick up the little details that truly matter to the Americans like the bomber or his car.
If they cannot manage that then I really do think it is pushing luck a bit to have had such fine detail satellites pointing at PDL on a May night six years ago.
But then again you are the confirmed expert on these things (I think you worked on a super secret project or something twenty years ago) so perhaps you can explain why the FBI etc are running round like the proverbial headless chickens over this case.
And while we are at it, just how many abductions, murders, etc have been solved in the US or anywhere else with the assistance of these super dooper satellite pictures which are so abundantly available for the purpose?
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It does make me laugh how you lot think that every operational bit of knowledge is released in either the media or police interviews. You obviously have no knowledge of the level of monitoring equipment on the American spy satellites which can, indeed, read the headlines of newspapers on the ground as long as there is good lighting and clear conditions. Obviously at 10pm on a May night they'd have been less useful but may have revealed information about the movements of the relevant players during the day. There isn't just one satellite that pootles about the sky taking snapshots of whatever falls beneath it.
Anyhow, irrelevant now anyway. It is an education to see the way you all circle jerk yourselves into a frenzy, it's like watching a pair of grannies discussing tabloid headlines at a bingo evening.
"Ooh Mavis, look - that Jordan has got married again"
"Ooh I know, they say she has basketballs implanted now!"
"Well I never. I must tell the grandchildren"
etc. and so are pro myths born.
It is fascinating in light of the pinpoint accuracy that you claim for these satellites that there has been no arrest over the Boston bombing yet. Big US city, Patriots Day, lots going on but no satellites to pick up the little details that truly matter to the Americans like the bomber or his car.
If they cannot manage that then I really do think it is pushing luck a bit to have had such fine detail satellites pointing at PDL on a May night six years ago.
But then again you are the confirmed expert on these things (I think you worked on a super secret project or something twenty years ago) so perhaps you can explain why the FBI etc are running round like the proverbial headless chickens over this case.
And while we are at it, just how many abductions, murders, etc have been solved in the US or anywhere else with the assistance of these super dooper satellite pictures which are so abundantly available for the purpose?
spot - bloody -on
guess Amaral watched 'Star Wars' after 2 bottles of vino
and before he thought to get shaved and dressed the next day to do a 'bit of work' on the abduction of a child
excuse for a man
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The Portuguese Police took so long to respond to this incident, can you even begin to see them getting assistance from NASA? @)(++(*
I didn't think NASA had a time machine? Maybe another myth? 8(0(*
Yes, a myth and not a very good one either. Why would a satellite be trained on Portugal, a small, insignificant place on a par with, say, Slovakia or Bulgaria in that it has no strategic value especially in the military sense (which is what many satellites are used for) be the subject of any surveillance? I am not denigrating Portugal, merely pointing out its position in such matters. If there was actually one over Portugal it could possibly have been a weather satellite in which case it was most likely not looking for people behaving strangely but for an errant thunderstorm or even a tornado.
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It would seem logical that US military satellites would have been observing the North African coast at the time. However, I don't understand the implication of "deviated" - from where? Pdl?
ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Casablanca_bombings
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Seems the British Government made some comments on this story
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP
And comment from a tabloid watching site
http://www.anorak.co.uk/227802/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-alan-johnson-satellite-images-and-barack-obama.html/
Obviously just gas
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Seems the British Government made some comments on this story
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP
And comment from a tabloid watching site
http://www.anorak.co.uk/227802/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-alan-johnson-satellite-images-and-barack-obama.html/
Obviously just gas
A great shame then, considering there was no substance to it, that Amaral set such a lot of importance on it.
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I wonder would that have been because the UK government understood that it was a pipedream with no substance to it? Unlike Amaral there are people in the British Government who actually understand the nature of satellite imagery and knew full well that the idea that there were images of PDL at the ridiculous resolution that C.Edwards has claimed was simply not true. Why waste time persuading the US government to hand over something they understood did not exist. No problem for Amaral, by then he was an unemployed man with plenty of time to dream his dreams.
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Ask the Home Secretary at the time, it was he who spoke the words, not C Edwarda or any other internet poster or Dr Amaral
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To be of any use the satellite camera would have to have been zoomed in on PDL. Even if one of the military satellites just happened to be over southern Portugal at the time that Madeleine was abducted there was no reason for it to to recording images in that particular area. Amaral's suggestion therefore that a satellite would be of any use to the investigation is just pie in the sky.
No, the satellites don't need to be "zoomed in". We're not in 1980 anymore.
Afraid you've been watching too much science fiction on the box. The cameras have to be trained on a selected area to get anything of consequence. The suggestion that they can read car number plates is preposterous.
And you obviously don't see anything behind those dark glasses on a borrowed head. The south coast of Portugal is constantly under surveillance, not only because of drug trafficking but also arms and the stupid feared terrorists that the paranoid US keep alive.
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Did he actually request images? If so, who from?
Definitely not while a copper. Nothing in the files.
Probably didn't know Wikileak address.
Surprised he hasn't been on the phone to Julian now he knows where he is though. He could have nipped over and had a game of cards, awfully boring staying in all the time. That way the ace wouldn't have gone to waste.
Don't be naive. The files released are just the information that could be made public, there are confidential documents that cannot be in the public domain.
How do you know he hasn't spoken to Julian? After what the UK did to him it doesn't surprise me Assange is not very friendly with UK's press.
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Time for dinner, satellites follow me-----
by the beach
See you later.
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I've never understood this idea.
Even if such images had been available, why couldn't the PJ have just asked the US themselves?
Portugal and the US do have diplomatic relations as far as I'm aware.
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I've never understood this idea.
Even if such images had been available, why couldn't the PJ have just asked the US themselves?
Portugal and the US do have diplomatic relations as far as I'm aware.
My point was about the UK govt paying lipservice but not doing anything about it, thats IF the rag tabloids are to be believed
I don't know what Portugal did or said about this
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I've never understood this idea.
Even if such images had been available, why couldn't the PJ have just asked the US themselves?
Portugal and the US do have diplomatic relations as far as I'm aware.
My point was about the UK govt paying lipservice but not doing anything about it, thats IF the rag tabloids are to be believed
I don't know what Portugal did or said about this
But PT is quite capable of requesting assistance by itself. What makes anyone think that the UK would have had any authority to request satellite images from the US on behalf of Portugal?
Where did this idea come from?
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I wonder would that have been because the UK government understood that it was a pipedream with no substance to it? Unlike Amaral there are people in the British Government who actually understand the nature of satellite imagery and knew full well that the idea that there were images of PDL at the ridiculous resolution that C.Edwards has claimed was simply not true. Why waste time persuading the US government to hand over something they understood did not exist. No problem for Amaral, by then he was an unemployed man with plenty of time to dream his dreams.
It is pointless continually trying to goad me. You are quite simply wrong. Resolutions of less than 15cm have been available to the military for more than 10 years. They now have resolutions an awful lot less than that. Even commercial resolutions are now 50cm. I only respond now in order to stop your propaganda going unchallenged. Good evening to you <raises top hat> .
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I've never understood this idea.
Even if such images had been available, why couldn't the PJ have just asked the US themselves?
Portugal and the US do have diplomatic relations as far as I'm aware.
My point was about the UK govt paying lipservice but not doing anything about it, thats IF the rag tabloids are to be believed
I don't know what Portugal did or said about this
But PT is quite capable of requesting assistance by itself. What makes anyone think that the UK would have had any authority to request satellite images from the US on behalf of Portugal?
Where did this idea come from?
The PT authorities may have asked the UK force for help here if they had more clout with the USA for instance, who knows, fact remains the Uk did nothing about it after suggesting they would, unless they did and it wasnt reported
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I've never understood this idea.
Even if such images had been available, why couldn't the PJ have just asked the US themselves?
Portugal and the US do have diplomatic relations as far as I'm aware.
My point was about the UK govt paying lipservice but not doing anything about it, thats IF the rag tabloids are to be believed
I don't know what Portugal did or said about this
But PT is quite capable of requesting assistance by itself. What makes anyone think that the UK would have had any authority to request satellite images from the US on behalf of Portugal?
Where did this idea come from?
The PT authorities may have asked the UK force for help here if they had more clout with the USA for instance, who knows, fact remains the Uk did nothing about it after suggesting they would, unless they did and it wasnt reported
Where does the idea originate that the UK suggested they would ask the US?
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carana I postex the link before
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP
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carana I postex the link before
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP
Thanks.
Hmmm.
SATELLITE CLUE TO MADDIE KIDNAP
HOME Secretary Alan Johnson is prepared to ask US spy chiefs for satellite images which may show the face of Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, following intervention by the Sunday Express.
By: James Murray
Published: Sun, October 18, 2009
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MISSING-Madeleine-McCann MISSING: Madeleine McCann
Hope of new progress came after it emerged Leicestershire Police never made a formal request to the Home Office for views of Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve at the time the little girl vanished in May 2007.
The quality of pictures taken by satellites in space is now so good they can reputedly identify the colour of someone’s eyes.
Last night a senior source with the Portuguese police said: “We know US spy satellites regularly sweep over Portugal looking at military installations and government facilities.
“So we thought they might actually have images of Praia da Luz on the day of the kidnapping and the preceding days.
“We hoped spy images may have captured the kidnapper watching the apartment prior to the event or even on the day itself. Obviously, having a picture would have speeded up the apprehension of the offender.”
Google-Earth-view-from-where-Madeleine-was-snatched- Google Earth view from where Madeleine was snatched
Yet more than two years after Madeleine was snatched no help has been forthcoming, despite early requests from senior Portuguese detectives.
The Portuguese source explained: “This was fully discussed with Leicestershire Police and officials with the British Government.
“We were confident of getting progress because of Gordon Brown’s interest in the case and this apparent special relationship between Britain and the United States.
“Your ambassador to Portugal even visited our officers soon after the kidnap.
“The bad news for us is that we got nowhere with this avenue of inquiry, which was both frustrating and infuriating.”
For, despite all the talk, nothing appears to have been done officially with the British government and the formal requests were never made.
Last night a spokesman for Mr Johnson said extensive checks within the security intelligence community had failed to discover any formal request ever having come to them through Leicestershire Police from Portugal.
However, he said that if a request were now made Mr Johnson would see whether he could offer any assistance in trying to persuade the Americans to become co-operative.
The issue appears so sensitive that Prime Minister Mr Brown may have to speak directly to US President Barack Obama in order to achieve co-operation.
The Sunday Express sought explanations for the extraordinary situation from the US government’s ultra- secretive National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
The agency’s lawyers are now considering a Freedom of Information request from the Sunday Express.
A spokesman for the agency said: “NGA does not provide imagery to private citizens or private companies. For reasons of national security we do not discuss specifics about what images we have or our capabilities.”
Private investigators working for parents Kate and Gerry McCann, who live in Rothley, Leicestershire, have also tried to access US satellite images, but with no success.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
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Yes a great shame the British government didn't ask the yanks for help as thry intimated they could or would do.
I wonder would that have been because the UK government understood that it was a pipedream with no substance to it? Unlike Amaral there are people in the British Government who actually understand the nature of satellite imagery and knew full well that the idea that there were images of PDL at the ridiculous resolution that C.Edwards has claimed was simply not true. Why waste time persuading the US government to hand over something they understood did not exist. No problem for Amaral, by then he was an unemployed man with plenty of time to dream his dreams.
It is pointless continually trying to goad me. You are quite simply wrong. Resolutions of less than 15cm have been available to the military for more than 10 years. They now have resolutions an awful lot less than that. Even commercial resolutions are now 50cm. I only respond now in order to stop your propaganda going unchallenged. Good evening to you <raises top hat> .
Absolutely nobody is challenging the resolutions you claim. It takes about 20 seconds to google that information.
The question is not about the current situation, nor about the basic technical abilities of the satellites. The question relates to the situation six years ago in what is effectively an area of absolutely no strategic significance in terms of satellite imagery.
There is nothing anywhere which even suggests that there was any such high resolution imagery of the PDL area. Even the article which has been posted refers only to sweeps of the country related to military and government facilities. As there are none in that village (unless you can suggest otherwise) then it rather answers that point.
Are you genuinely suggesting that the US had, in 2007, (or even has now) satellites trained on every single point of the globe (or even, lets just say, every populated point on the globe) which are continuously focusing on at resolutions of .50 metres or less? If so then I am afraid you are away with the fairies in the realms of crazy conspiracy nonsense. The expense and the date storage required would be huge.
As I pointed out earlier, if that was the case why has not one single case ever (to the best of my knowledge and clearly yours) been solved by police requesting either military or commercial satellite imagery? If you could answer real questions such as that instead of just giving generalities which bear no relation to the real situation then perhaps your rather condescending approach to posting might be more effective. Till then, I suggest you doff your ridiculous top hat once again and knuckle down to some real research into the matter.
The article posted refers only to "formal request". In a matter of this nature the formal approach is (as you may or may not be aware) only one method of inquiry. When it is specifically referred to in this way it is highly suggestive that other routes of inquiry were in fact used.
It is pie in the sky (see what I did there?) for Amaral to be placing reliance of this approach. It shows sheer desperation that his hopes rest on Julian Assange and a chance that a few images might be forthcoming by some illegal means from extreme high-resolution satellites which almost certainly were never trained on a place as lacking in strategic importance as PDL. That is not expert policing, it is bordering on insanity.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
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there is a lot of pain and anguish to be avoided
by realising that Amaral - is a clown
who does not know his a.se from a hole in the ground
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
The Portuguese were unable to comply with the agreed stipulations for rogatory interviews. When eventually the got the paperwork filed correctly, the rogatories went ahead legally. It is the role of the government to protect citizens from ill conceived attempts by foreign justice systems to interrogate British citizens.
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there is a lot of pain and anguish to be avoided
by realising that Amaral - is a clown
who does not know his a.se from a hole in the ground
I recommend that you look in a mirror first before you criticize others. 8(0(*
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there is a lot of pain and anguish to be avoided
by realising that Amaral - is a clown
who does not know his a.se from a hole in the ground
I recommend that you look in a mirror first before you criticize others. 8(0(*
Hypocrite hoist by your own petard.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
The Portuguese were unable to comply with the agreed stipulations for rogatory interviews. When eventually the got the paperwork filed correctly, the rogatories went ahead legally. It is the role of the government to protect citizens from ill conceived attempts by foreign justice systems to interrogate British citizens.
It is also important for the country making these application, to file these things correctly, as any case made from incorrect filing will be null and void in a Court of Law later. Thereby allowing a possible criminal to go free.
Mr. Smith was not subjected to a Rogatory Interview because he was listed by Portugal as a British Citizen, which he is not.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
The Portuguese were unable to comply with the agreed stipulations for rogatory interviews. When eventually the got the paperwork filed correctly, the rogatories went ahead legally. It is the role of the government to protect citizens from ill conceived attempts by foreign justice systems to interrogate British citizens.
It is also important for the country making these application, to file these things correctly, as any case made from incorrect filing will be null and void in a Court of Law later. Thereby allowing a possible criminal to go free.
Mr. Smith was not subjected to a Rogatory Interview because he was listed by Portugal as a British Citizen, which he is not.'
So it wasn't just Amaral's team that was incompetent (his own statement about the photographers and fingerprint bods being evidence for that among other things) but other Portuguese were also incompetent, filing the rogatory request incorrectly and even failing to realise that Irish Citizens are not from the UK. Truly lamentable policing and diplomacy.
It begs the question, had the PJ and other authorities been on the ball could more have been done to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann? I know what my response to that question is.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
The Portuguese were unable to comply with the agreed stipulations for rogatory interviews. When eventually the got the paperwork filed correctly, the rogatories went ahead legally. It is the role of the government to protect citizens from ill conceived attempts by foreign justice systems to interrogate British citizens.
It is also important for the country making these application, to file these things correctly, as any case made from incorrect filing will be null and void in a Court of Law later. Thereby allowing a possible criminal to go free.
Mr. Smith was not subjected to a Rogatory Interview because he was listed by Portugal as a British Citizen, which he is not.
True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
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Sorry, the article doesn't even make sense to me.
And the article doesn't answer my question as to why Portugal didn't use its diplomatic contacts with the US (if the PJ seriously thought that military satellites could have identified whoever was carrying Madeleine that night in a sleepy village).
The reason the article does not make sense is because it is a load of rubbish
Well, I agree with you on that.
Which begs the question why a so called home office minister would talk shyte..that is a certain ALAN MILBURN, as well as jacqui smith, home office minister who DELAYED the rogatory interviews, what a cow..
8((()*/
The Portuguese were unable to comply with the agreed stipulations for rogatory interviews. When eventually the got the paperwork filed correctly, the rogatories went ahead legally. It is the role of the government to protect citizens from ill conceived attempts by foreign justice systems to interrogate British citizens.
It is also important for the country making these application, to file these things correctly, as any case made from incorrect filing will be null and void in a Court of Law later. Thereby allowing a possible criminal to go free.
Mr. Smith was not subjected to a Rogatory Interview because he was listed by Portugal as a British Citizen, which he is not.
True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Yes, if he had been so crucial, then I am sure it would have been followed up.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct.
His wife may well have shared his doubt - they presumably live in the same household. The rest of the family apparently did not.
ETA: Or may have simply agreed that it was a possibility and to share the doubt with the police.
I see nothing wrong with that - it's trying to be helpful to the police. But any experienced police force would be able to sort the well-meaning, but potentially irrelevant, chaff from the wheat.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
Mrs. Martin Smith refused to be interviewed again. One cannot help wondering why. She never personally stated that she thought it was Gerry McCann. End of.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct.
His wife may well have shared his doubt - they presumably live in the same household. The rest of the family apparently did not.
Your question was about Mr Amarals confusion about who in the party agreed with Martin Smith. I provided a link to say his wife did. That was all.
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The day on which any investigation accepts evidence of what a husband says his wife said will be a very sad day, at least in Britain. But Amaral seems to have thought that this was really okay.
Actually, it is laughable. And insulting.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
None of his children did, including his daughter Aofe who, as I've pointed out before, was an extremely astute and observant witness.
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I always thought it was just Mr Smith who thought it was Gerry he had seen that night, I had no idea his wife agreed with him
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I always thought it was just Mr Smith who thought it was Gerry he had seen that night, I had no idea his wife agreed with him
And you still don't actually know that his wife agreed with him do you?
What you know is that he said his wife agreed with him.
And I suspect that every wife on this forum and elsewhere can give examples of where what the husband thought the wife was agreeing to was simply wrong.
For Amaral or anyone else to use such hearsay as any kind of evidence is as a previous poster said completely laughable.
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True, but I've never particularly seen that as a big deal. It was a straightforward administrative error which could, easily, have been rectified simply by sending a second rogatory letter to the Irish Republic rather than Westminster.
What is of more interest to me is why the error wasn't rectified.
I suspect that's probably because Mr Smith was not, after all, deemed to be such a crucial witness.
Martin Smith seems to have been a clincher according to GA... But then GA does seem to have been a bit confused about the 60-80% issue and as to who - in that family - actually shared his doubt.
GA also seems to have been a bit confused over several issues, including DNA. He, along with others in his team, had a professional and emotional stake in trying to resolve the case and were no doubt exhausted.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
His wife agreed with him
After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.
During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later. This statement has been read over to me and is correct.
His wife may well have shared his doubt - they presumably live in the same household. The rest of the family apparently did not.
Your question was about Mr Amarals confusion about who in the party agreed with Martin Smith. I provided a link to say his wife did. That was all.
Yes, and thank you. But the rest of his family didn't.