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Constantinople

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #390 on: June 19, 2012, 11:09:08 AM »
Lea Annes profile was deleted over the weekend apparently and she was expecting either an e-mail or phone call from Admin on here which wasn't forth coming, so if somone wants to call her, she is willing to repost.

This forum is all singing and all dancing but telephone calls from Admin  8-)(--) thats pushing it isnt it?  8-)(--) Must be reserved for VIP's  8(0(*

Offline Joanne

Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #391 on: June 19, 2012, 11:11:33 AM »
I will let her know.

delilah

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #392 on: June 19, 2012, 02:10:50 PM »
vampire flunky had a hissy fit?

Offline Joanne

Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #393 on: June 19, 2012, 03:07:23 PM »
Does anyone know anything about the job KC has supposedly got? Where it is, is it paid etc?

Trolling along

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #394 on: June 19, 2012, 04:39:20 PM »
ANALYSIS: A headline on the BBC’s website yesterday reads: ‘Websites to be forced to identify trolls under new measures’, writes Paul Bernal. Beneath it, the first sentence says something somewhat different: ‘Websites will soon be forced to identify people who have posted defamatory messages online.’

You can read about the Nicola Brookes case and the groundbreaking legal fight to bring online bullies to justice on the JusticeGap HERE.
It’s interesting that the two ideas are considered equivalent. Are ‘trolls’ those who post defamatory messages online? Are those who post defamatory messages online ‘trolls’? Neither of those statements are really true – though of course the idea of a ‘troll’ is something that’s hard to define with any precision. Trolls, for me at least (and I’m a bit of an old hand in internet terms), are people who try to provoke and offend, to get people to ‘bite’ – not necessarily or even particularly regularly through the use of defamation. They use a variety of tactics, from just saying stupid and annoying things to the most direct and offensive – and intimidating – things imaginable. Defamation may indeed be one of their tools, but at best it’s a side issue.

Taking that a step further, the trigger for this suggestion appears to have been the Nicola Brookes case – which was about bullying, abuse and harassment much more than it was about defamation. Of course being called a paedophile and a drug-dealer is technically defamatory, but I don’t think defamation was what bothered Nicola Brookes. She wasn’t worrying about her reputation – she was worried about being harassed and bullied. As she put it: ‘The abuse is absolutely horrendous… They literally torture people – they invade your life… steal your identity… spread malicious things.’

It’s not about defamation
So why are the stories about defamation – and why is Ken Clarke suggesting changes to the Defamation Bill to deal with them? Are there other motives here? Is there something quite different going on? I suspect so – and I fear that this may be yet another attempt to use a hideous event to bring in powers that can and will be used for something quite different from that which the event concerns.

We already have the law to deal with trolls and bullies – which is why Nicola Brookes got her court order, and why the man who trolled Louise Mensch was convicted, and quite rightly, in my opinion. There are significant issues to deal with – not least, as Brookes and her lawyer, Rupinder Bains, stressed, the police need resources, training and support in dealing with these issues, and services like Facebook need to take their responsibilities seriously – but we don’t need new law and we need to be careful that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Anonymity matters
Harassment and bullying need dealing with – but we have to be very careful about how we balance things here. Anonymity may sometimes be used to cloak bullies and trolls – but it is also crucial to protect whistleblowers, to protect victims of domestic abuse from being tracked down by their abusers, to enable people to express important and valid opinions without fear of oppression or retribution. This is particularly important on the internet. Some of the best blogs are anonymous – the late lamented Nightjack blog is just one example – and their anonymity can be a key to their success, and their importance. Through anonymity truth can be brought out – and without it, much would be lost.

Even the knowledge that anonymity may be broken could have a chilling effect. Would people feel free to express themselves, particularly in difficult circumstances, if they believed that by doing so they would expose themselves?

The importance of this may not appear obvious in a country like ours – but the situation can be very different in other places. In Mexico, for example, where anonymous bloggers campaign against the depredations of the drugs cartels – and where if that anonymity is lost, so are their lives: at least four have been killed so far. And what about in places like China? Or even Syria? The extremes demonstrate the point – and when situations become more extreme, even ‘liberal’ governments can reveal their authoritarian tendencies. We need to be sure that we don’t set in place the infrastructure – both legal and technical – that allows those authoritarian tendencies to be used too easily. My favourite quote on the subject, from cryptography and internet security expert Bruce Schneier, is particularly apt. As he put it, in his blog back in 2007:

‘It’s bad civic hygiene to build an infrastructure that can be used to facilitate a police state.’

Acting to give too many powers to break anonymity would be a step in this direction – in the wrong hands, it could be potentially devastating. The additional confusion between defamation and trolling should start the alarm bells ringing – we need clarity here, not confusion. We need to be clear whenever we look to bring in new laws, but particularly when those laws will restrict freedoms. The ability to be anonymous on the internet is an important freedom: we need to be very careful about how and when to restrict that freedom.


realtruth

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #395 on: June 19, 2012, 10:30:12 PM »
 8-)(--) after reading the shocking statements of KC's involvement in the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP am left wondering if the House of Commons wasn't where KC wanted to give his speech.
Then there was this  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Kevin Craigie
28 April 15:33
On Monday I took my new Dog out for a walk, enjoying the sunshine and watching him swimming i the river. A large group of people surrounded us and threatened to kill us both if I did not hand over my mobile and cash. One of them attempted to stab my Dog, and obviously I protected him. The knife cut my hand. Another one lunged at me with a knife, and I managed to get out the way. They then commenced kicking and punching me, trying to get me nearer the river. The public came to me assistance, and several of them have given witness statements. They have two of them in custody. Ironic, on the eve of my supposed speech I am attacked by those who are genuinely guilty of Joint Enterprise. It turned put they had been threatening people for several hours, even a man with his 6month old Baby and also an elderly couple walking their Dog. It gets better, the Dogs owners decided they missed him, and took him back yesterday. I be fine in a couple of days, as resiliant.

Spit the dog

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #396 on: June 19, 2012, 10:38:58 PM »
8-)(--) after reading the shocking statements of KC's involvement in the murder of Mr Rothwell RIP am left wondering if the House of Commons wasn't where KC wanted to give his speech.
Then there was this  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Kevin Craigie
28 April 15:33
On Monday I took my new Dog out for a walk, enjoying the sunshine and watching him swimming i the river. A large group of people surrounded us and threatened to kill us both if I did not hand over my mobile and cash. One of them attempted to stab my Dog, and obviously I protected him. The knife cut my hand. Another one lunged at me with a knife, and I managed to get out the way. They then commenced kicking and punching me, trying to get me nearer the river. The public came to me assistance, and several of them have given witness statements. They have two of them in custody. Ironic, on the eve of my supposed speech I am attacked by those who are genuinely guilty of Joint Enterprise. It turned put they had been threatening people for several hours, even a man with his 6month old Baby and also an elderly couple walking their Dog. It gets better, the Dogs owners decided they missed him, and took him back yesterday. I be fine in a couple of days, as resiliant.

Least when Leanne tells her stories they're believable. Poppy cock  8(8-)) Wot a monster  8(8-))

Offline Joanne

Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #397 on: June 19, 2012, 10:42:51 PM »
Was that April this year?

realtruth

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #398 on: June 19, 2012, 10:43:42 PM »
Was that April this year? NO 2011
.............if only Mr Rothwell had managed to "get out of the way" RIP
Believe I read somewhere in the statements that in that shocking sequence of events KC got a hand injury too?

Offline Joanne

Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #399 on: June 19, 2012, 10:46:29 PM »
He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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Loopy loo

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #400 on: June 19, 2012, 10:50:34 PM »
and his side kick watches on whilst he lures oncesaid  8(8-))

realtruth

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #401 on: June 19, 2012, 10:51:21 PM »
He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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Ronald McDonald

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #402 on: June 19, 2012, 10:53:07 PM »
I take it he hacked the FB account of one of the vulnerable women he attacked from Jengba? She still said nothing?  8(8-))

Paul from Dundee

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #403 on: June 19, 2012, 10:54:50 PM »
He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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 @)(++(*  @)(++(* like an action packed story!!

Prehaps he's in training for another stint in nick  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*

realtruth

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Re: What is Kevin Craigie guilty of?
« Reply #404 on: June 19, 2012, 10:56:32 PM »
He didn't have much luck did he last year? An attack in the park, heart attack, suspected brugada syndrome...... 8)><(
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 @)(++(*  @)(++(* like an action packed story!!
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Prehaps he's in training for another stint in nick  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*