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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10275 on: December 05, 2020, 11:16:53 AM »
and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10276 on: December 05, 2020, 11:18:30 AM »
Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM.

Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10277 on: December 05, 2020, 11:47:06 AM »
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial

You were referring to 'sceptics'' beliefs.  Your post:

and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Its hardly surprising a body of people suspect Mc's given their proximity to MM.

Has HCW stated he's concerned about double jeopardy or is that just media reporting?  If CB moves to the other prison will he still be under HCW's jurisdicition or will another prosecutor take over?  If CB hasn't been charged say by June will you accept its game over?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10278 on: December 05, 2020, 11:53:42 AM »
and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10279 on: December 05, 2020, 11:55:06 AM »
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial

But not enough to be sure of a conviction.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10280 on: December 05, 2020, 11:55:53 AM »
You were referring to 'sceptics'' beliefs.  Your post:

and yet we repeatedly hear from sceptics that the McCanns havent been proven innocent..its absurd isnt it

Its hardly surprising a body of people suspect Mc's given their proximity to MM.

Has HCW stated he's concerned about double jeopardy or is that just media reporting?  If CB moves to the other prison will he still be under HCW's jurisdicition or will another prosecutor take over?  If CB hasn't been charged say by June will you accept its game over?
CB is being moved to a jail 15 minus from HCW.
Direct quote in German newspaper re jeopardy and something I raised a month ago
Depends what happens re questioning

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10281 on: December 05, 2020, 11:57:47 AM »
But not enough to be sure of a conviction.

That's right.. May be enough but no certainty.. He's in no rush. We should see some action once CB is moved

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10282 on: December 05, 2020, 11:58:59 AM »
That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.

Cite for the lawyers claim... No such claim.. You've made that up

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10283 on: December 05, 2020, 12:43:36 PM »
Hi Holly (ty6e[

The lawyer is based in Kiel, so he will be a long way away when CB is moved. As he said, though, it's up to the prosecutor to prove guilt, not to the suspect to prove innocence. The time for Brueckner to decide whether to speak will be when (and if) he is interviewed. As to cooperating, I don't suppose many criminals do that unless it's to their advantage.

But surely they do have to enter a Plea, at least of Not Guilty.  And if they don't then it will be entered for them. 

After that it will be up to The Court to decide and their refusal to comment will go against them.


Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10285 on: December 05, 2020, 12:46:04 PM »
Not really no.  All the stats show when small children disappear/come to harm its usually at the hands of those connected with them.  Mc's by their own admission were the last known people to have contact with MM.  Conversely there's no evidence CB ever set eyes on MM.

"Usually" will not do.  Namely because it isn't Absolute.

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10286 on: December 05, 2020, 12:47:56 PM »
That's mostly been pointed out in response to the absurd claim by their libel lawyer that they had been proved innocent.

This isn't True.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10287 on: December 05, 2020, 12:53:02 PM »
Suspects do not have to prove innocence is the point.. Surely you understand that.

Then of course... You don't know what evidence there is against CB.
HCW says he's concerned re double jeopardy which suggests he has enough evidence to go to trial
If a person could show he was innocent that would stop the investigation into him, wouldn't it?  There would be much room for doubt they'd never prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty. 
If you are innocent and can prove it that could save a lot of grief IMO.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10288 on: December 05, 2020, 12:56:29 PM »
Cite for the lawyers claim... No such claim.. You've made that up
Please provide the cite the claim G-unit "made that up". 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #10289 on: December 05, 2020, 01:00:06 PM »
"Usually" will not do.  Namely because it isn't Absolute.
Wasn't it 85% of the time.  Pretty much covered by the expression usually IMO.  Can you think of a better word?
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