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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #165 on: October 31, 2018, 07:08:52 PM »
So most supporters became quite fond of a certain archiving dispatch, but not all understood what it's actual significance was.?

I would say most sceptics don't understand  the significance of the archiving despatch... As there was no evidence of any crime by the McCann's then logically... IMO.. That is evidence but not proof of innocence

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #166 on: October 31, 2018, 07:19:16 PM »
"but in the real world the processes are not dissimilar in many countries"  what does that mean?  Are the processes similar or different in many countries?

Google "dissimilar"
"dissimilar

adjective
not the same; different.
"a collection of dissimilar nations lacking overall homogeneity"

"but in the real world the processes are not dissimilar [not the same] in many countries"

Not not is a double negative becomes positive i.e. "not not the same" becomes "the same".

"but in the real world the processes are "the same" in many countries"

Alice is this what you meant? ".... but in the real world the processes are "the same" in many countries"

It is a standard English construction meaning: "more or less similar".
I would have normally just said "similar" but we might have ended up with half a dozen pages of pedantry so I elected to use "not dissimilar" to avoid that. Pious hopes on my part, on that score it would seem.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #167 on: October 31, 2018, 08:19:11 PM »
It is a standard English construction meaning: "more or less similar".
I would have normally just said "similar" but we might have ended up with half a dozen pages of pedantry so I elected to use "not dissimilar" to avoid that. Pious hopes on my part, on that score it would seem.
OK I see it now "not dissimilar" is equivalent to "more or less similar".  Thanks.
" ....  but in the real world the processes are "the same" in many countries"  becomes
".....  but in the real world the processes are "more or less similar" in many countries"

The processes are not exactly the same but not dissimilar. 

Google to the rescue!
"Dissimilar is the opposite of similar. You've probably heard that you should not use double negatives. Well with dissimilar, it's okay to say something like, "Art is not dissimilar to music in that it is a creative activity. Here, "not dissimilar" means similar."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #168 on: October 31, 2018, 09:44:45 PM »
I feel "Perhaps you don't understand what it says?" is an ad hom argument even though it is a question.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #169 on: October 31, 2018, 09:49:58 PM »
Do you have a cite not all understood... From the posts I've seen everyone understood it perfectly

It was what you said?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #170 on: October 31, 2018, 09:54:29 PM »
It was what you said?

Sceptics think supporters don't understand it... I would say supporters understand it perfectly..

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2018, 10:02:59 PM »

Put it this way I am trying to understand it and apply the rule that arguments should not be "ad hominem".

"ad hominem

adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton""

The question "Perhaps you don't understand what it says?" is questioning a person's understanding and their potential to understand.
IMO it is definitely "directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".





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Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #172 on: November 01, 2018, 12:40:14 PM »
Put it this way I am trying to understand it and apply the rule that arguments should not be "ad hominem".

"ad hominem

adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton""

The question "Perhaps you don't understand what it says?" is questioning a person's understanding and their potential to understand.
IMO it is definitely "directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".

Absolutely Rob.  Criticism of other member's opinions and calling into question their understanding of the case is something which should be avoided. Every member has the equal right to air their genuinely held opinion or belief. If challenges are made then those challenges should address the facts and not the member's ability.

Constantly claiming that other posters are wrong without providing any facts to support such an assertion is tiresome.

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Offline Sunny

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #173 on: November 01, 2018, 01:06:58 PM »
Absolutely Rob.  Criticism of other member's opinions and calling into question their understanding of the case is something which should be avoided. Every member has the equal right to air their genuinely held opinion or belief. If challenges are made then those challenges should address the facts and not the member's ability.

Constantly claiming that other posters are wrong without providing any facts to support such an assertion is tiresome.

Well said John.  I for one am sick of this type of posting.
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Offline The General

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #174 on: November 01, 2018, 01:35:38 PM »
I haven't been here long, but Christopher Biggins, there's an inordinate amount of squabbling over semantics and minutiae. All this circular, irrelevant back biting is utterly futile and is counter productive.

...and no I can't provide a cite for that.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #175 on: November 01, 2018, 02:15:06 PM »
I haven't been here long, but Christopher Biggins, there's an inordinate amount of squabbling over semantics and minutiae. All this circular, irrelevant back biting is utterly futile and is counter productive.

...and no I can't provide a cite for that.

You don't have to.  Most of us are fed up with it.

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #176 on: November 01, 2018, 04:54:34 PM »
I haven't been here long, but Christopher Biggins, there's an inordinate amount of squabbling over semantics and minutiae. All this circular, irrelevant back biting is utterly futile and is counter productive.

...and no I can't provide a cite for that.

It is my opinion that being counter productive is exactly what is intended in many instances.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #177 on: November 01, 2018, 06:53:42 PM »
Put it this way I am trying to understand it and apply the rule that arguments should not be "ad hominem".

"ad hominem

adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton""

The question "Perhaps you don't understand what it says?" is questioning a person's understanding and their potential to understand.
IMO it is definitely "directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".


(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"

When I say IMO sceptics don't understand  the evidence then that is directed at the position they hold... Not the person... And is therefore not ad hom

If it's my opinion.... Am I not allowed to express my opinion... Im happy to justfy my opinion.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #178 on: November 01, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"

When I say IMO sceptics don't understand  the evidence then that is directed at the position they hold... Not the person... And is therefore not ad hom

If it's my opinion.... Am I not allowed to express my opinion... Im happy to justfy my opinion.
I think this debate is in response to a post made by SIL (now deleted) but I thought I'd let SIL know why I deleted the post IMO it was an "ad hom" argument.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.
« Reply #179 on: November 01, 2018, 07:00:49 PM »
I think this debate is in response to a post made by SIL (now deleted) but I thought I'd let SIL why I deleted the post IMO it was an "ad hom" argument.

You are right.  It was.  I agreed with you.