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Offline faithlilly

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #285 on: October 18, 2015, 12:19:26 PM »
What isn't true?    The fact that the parents and friends searched for Madeleine or that you are setting two families up against each other?

Both.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #286 on: October 18, 2015, 01:10:51 PM »
Both.

both are true...the parents searched and the sceptics have tried to cause friction between the families

Offline Lace

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #287 on: October 18, 2015, 01:15:47 PM »
Both.

Why are you saying that?

Kate ran screaming from the apartment when she found Madeleine missing,  they all ran back searched the apartment again,  searched all around the apartment,   Gerry was seen searching around the pool area,  they ran around like headless chickens,   Kate screaming Madeleine's name.  Both   crying distraught,  the friends of Gerry and Kate said it was terrible to witness it.

Friends searched the whole area,  whilst Gerry and Kate waited for the police to arrive,  Gerry falling to his knees with relief that the police had finally come.

Are you saying,  that they are nasty uncaring parents,  who didn't bother to search and didn't care that their child was missing?





Offline Lace

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #288 on: October 18, 2015, 01:19:32 PM »
both are true...the parents searched and the sceptics have tried to cause friction between the families

They never miss a chance davel,   it's terrible that they try and make out that Kerry did more for Ben than the McCann's did for Madeleine.

The family of Ben,  thought Ben had gone off with Kerry's brother on his bike,  so it was ages before they actually knew Ben was missing.

All Kerry could do really was go the way she thought Ben may have toddled,   she knocked on doors along the way,  most just shut the door in her face I think one stayed long enough to actually realise what she wanted.

After that it was a case of following up leads.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #289 on: October 18, 2015, 01:33:04 PM »
They never miss a chance davel,   it's terrible that they try and make out that Kerry did more for Ben than the McCann's did for Madeleine.

The family of Ben,  thought Ben had gone off with Kerry's brother on his bike,  so it was ages before they actually knew Ben was missing.

All Kerry could do really was go the way she thought Ben may have toddled,   she knocked on doors along the way,  most just shut the door in her face I think one stayed long enough to actually realise what she wanted.

After that it was a case of following up leads.

because there is no real evidence against the mccanns all they have is innuendo

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #290 on: October 18, 2015, 01:35:38 PM »
They never miss a chance davel,   it's terrible that they try and make out that Kerry did more for Ben than the McCann's did for Madeleine.

The family of Ben,  thought Ben had gone off with Kerry's brother on his bike,  so it was ages before they actually knew Ben was missing.

All Kerry could do really was go the way she thought Ben may have toddled,   she knocked on doors along the way,  most just shut the door in her face I think one stayed long enough to actually realise what she wanted.

After that it was a case of following up leads.

The Needham's searched for Ben and still are.

The mccanns typed a lot, and got other people to search, and of course, let the tax payer foot the bill for their 'responsible parenting skills'.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #291 on: October 18, 2015, 01:38:05 PM »
The Needham's searched for Ben and still are.

The mccanns typed a lot, and got other people to search, and of course, let the tax payer foot the bill for their 'responsible parenting skills'.

doesn't make a scrap of difference...you will find something to criticise them for whatever happens.....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #292 on: October 18, 2015, 01:40:13 PM »
The Needham's searched for Ben and still are.

The mccanns typed a lot, and got other people to search, and of course, let the tax payer foot the bill for their 'responsible parenting skills'.

Grange is about justice for maddie...I thought that's what everyone wanted...it seems not...it seems now just about bashing the parents....almost every thread just turns into a bash fest..

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #293 on: October 18, 2015, 01:46:48 PM »
doesn't make a scrap of difference...you will find something to criticise them for whatever happens.....

It's the truth.


As to Operation Grange, there is nothing to show for £11,000,000.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 01:50:25 PM by Eleanor »

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #294 on: October 18, 2015, 02:06:51 PM »
IMO the missing child never went to Millenium for breakfast, and the only time she went there was Sat evening for dinner, when they walked there via the direct road route, however they got lost on the way back:
"About an hour later they finished dinner, and returned, equally walking, by the same route, though going wrong in one of the streets where they should have turned left, ending up only turning only at the next street." (GM statement 10 May).
The only way to interpret that is - when they were walking home along Rua Ramalhete they missed the left onto Rua Silva and so took the next left onto Rua 1 Maio and then left onto other end of Rua Silva.
Yes MO in the early search took the direct road route to Millenium, however IMO if the child wandered towards Millenium she would probably have retraced backwards the longer "got lost" route.

Gerry's statement of 10 May 2007 -
"The following day (Sunday), the children woke up at 08h00, the deponent and his wife having woken up at around 07h30. They got dressed and at about 08h40 they left the apartment going to the MILLENIUM restaurant, once more on foot and by the same route as on the previous night, but without the mistake referred to previously, arriving there at 08h45/09h00."

It's in Fiona's rogatory also, where she explains that the McCanns had problems with the twins walking.  IIRC, the twins were carried the night before, while Madeleine walked. 

The road to the Mirage (before one turns off for the Millennium) is normally fairly busy due to the Luz one-way traffic scheme, though that particular road is two-way.  Personally, I would not have any child of ages 2 to 4 walking beside that road unless I had a firm grip of their hand.

But as I said earlier, I think Matthew was simply checking a place Madeleine had visited, not necessarily checking Tannerman route or being aware of which routes Madeleine had used on her visits to the Millennium. 
What's up, old man?

Offline pegasus

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #295 on: October 18, 2015, 03:10:55 PM »
Thanks ShiningInLuz so she did breakfast there Sun morning.

Offline Lace

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #296 on: October 18, 2015, 03:21:04 PM »
The Needham's searched for Ben and still are.

The mccanns typed a lot, and got other people to search, and of course, let the tax payer foot the bill for their 'responsible parenting skills'.

The McCann's are still searching too Stephen.

When Ben went missing there wasn't the media coverage the McCann's had,  no facebook,  no twitter no internet.

The McCann's were lucky enough to have a fund for Madeleine,   therefore was able to set up the No Stone Unturned  where people could report sightings.    Kerry has a fund too now for Ben.   The only way Kerry can search for Ben is through sightings or tip offs.   

Kerry has said herself if she was in the McCann's shoes she would have done exactly the same.

All this nonsense about the McCann's not searching is just that nonsense.

Offline jassi

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #297 on: October 18, 2015, 03:31:10 PM »
How is having someone else manage a social media page and a website  searching?
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Offline pegasus

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #298 on: October 18, 2015, 03:43:00 PM »
The searching that night covered everywhere radially outward from the apartment perimeter and found nothing.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 03:45:10 PM by pegasus »

Offline G-Unit

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #299 on: October 18, 2015, 03:46:50 PM »
Thanks ShiningInLuz so she did breakfast there Sun morning.

There is a person at the Millennium whose job it is to check people arriving for breakfast as they enter. Some have to pay, others get a free breakfast as part of their 'package'. She didn't work on Sunday or Monday, but she was there Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. This is what she said;

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

Janet Kennedy made the same remark about Madeleine and Gerry;

Madeleine was very close to Gerry; she was always at his side.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANNET-KENNEDY.htm





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