So what actual searching was there?

[mercury]

The big difference is lofts are very draughty Mercury.

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Ok, so Madeleine could have been swept out the flat by the wind?
I wish you would just say exactly what you mean instead of making others feel they are in a game show trying to find the answer

[pegasus]

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Ok, so Madeleine could have been swept out the flat by the wind?
I wish you would just say exactly what you mean instead of making others feel they are in a game show trying to find the answer

Someone mentioned another case, I was pointing out that draughtiness was an additional reason for it taking 7 days to solve, but of course the main reasons were incomplete search, and making a wrong assumption.

[pegasus]

Anyone ever get an exam question you can't answer and then afterwards you find no-one could because the question was wrong? That's how this case is looking IMO.

[mercury]

Someone mentioned another case, I was pointing out that draughtiness was an additional reason for it taking 7 days to solve, but of course the main reasons were incomplete search, and making a wrong assumption.

oK, let me get this straight

There was not a complete search so Madeleine could have been in 5a durng the search, then...? Someone found her? That person obviously if so, must have hidden her further. Or the killer came back and removed her? Struggling.

[pegasus]

oK, let me get this straight

There was not a complete search so Madeleine could have been in 5a durng the search, then...? Someone found her? That person obviously if so, must have hidden her further. Or the killer came back and removed her? Struggling.

IMO someone opened the shutter and window from outside causing the child to leave that room and that's as far as I got Mercury. Re the search inside pedantically IMO it wasn't technically fully complete, that's all, and it's possibly irrelevant.

[Brietta]

IMO someone opened the shutter and window from outside causing the child to leave that room and that's as far as I got Mercury. Re the search inside pedantically IMO it wasn't technically fully complete, that's all, and it's possibly irrelevant.

I think it is irrelevant.

You have dismissed a hiding place behind the bath panel.

The apartment had no loft.  Did we ever discover if there was crawl space underneath?


**Snip
Then, with his colleague, he searched the apartment. He opened all the cupboards of the bedrooms, living room and kitchen and he checked under the beds and in the fridge. He did not see the washing machine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm


All the cupboards were checked so I think that would include the top cupboards.  Bit of a mystery about not seeing the washing machine as that would almost certainly have been a place it would have been possible for a small child to fit.

I really do not think the searches of the apartment overlooked Madeleine.

[pegasus]

I think it is irrelevant.

You have dismissed a hiding place behind the bath panel.

The apartment had no loft.  Did we ever discover if there was crawl space underneath?


**Snip
Then, with his colleague, he searched the apartment. He opened all the cupboards of the bedrooms, living room and kitchen and he checked under the beds and in the fridge. He did not see the washing machine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm


All the cupboards were checked so I think that would include the top cupboards.  Bit of a mystery about not seeing the washing machine as that would almost certainly have been a place it would have been possible for a small child to fit.

I really do not think the searches of the apartment overlooked Madeleine.

Does he mention pulling the sofa out to look behind it?

[pegasus]

(snip)... You have dismissed a hiding place behind the bath panel.

The apartment had no loft.  Did we ever discover if there was crawl space underneath?
...(snip)

As far as I can see the side of the bath is possibly masonry with no panel but there is only a few seconds video footage to go by, need to look at PJ footage of the 4 similar apartments. So the following is of academic interest only but believe it or not there was once a case where police despite spending 5 days forensically searching a residence completely failed to even consider this.
Agreed apartment has no loft. Block has a lift engine room on top.
I don't know whether sub-floor volume is completely filled.

[G-Unit]

I think Eddie would have pinpointed the area if a cadaver had still been in, under or around the apartment in August 2007, so if Madeleine was hidden anywhere on the premises in May she must have been moved later. How, i can't imagine. (Eddie alerted with his head up, which meant there was just an odour. If there had been anything to actually find his head would have been down)

[Mr Gray]

I think Eddie would have pinpointed the area if a cadaver had still been in, under or around the apartment in August 2007, so if Madeleine was hidden anywhere on the premises in May she must have been moved later. How, i can't imagine. (Eddie alerted with his head up, which meant there was just an odour. If there had been anything to actually find his head would have been down)

you are placing too much reliance on the dogs...non of eddie's  alerts indicate the presence of any odour

[G-Unit]

you are placing too much reliance on the dogs...non of eddie's  alerts indicate the presence of any odour

In your opinion.

[Mr Gray]

In your opinion.

and its a valid opinion

[stephen25000]

and its a valid opinion

As you say to others, all too frequently.

Your opinion is of no value.

[Mr Gray]

As you say to others, all too frequently.

Your opinion is of no value.

And neither is yours
Grimes opinion is of more importance and he says the alerts suggested cadaver odour
Not that they were to cadaver odour

[pegasus]

How many police (GNR and PJ) actually searched the apartment that night 3/4 May?  IMO a grand total of ... 1.