So what actual searching was there?

[stephen25000]

So the Payne's searched for just over an hour for Sarah,   are you saying they didn't love their daughter to search for longer?

You have a cite for that ?

The mccanns had time for irrelevant foreign trips, meeting 'celebrities',  jogging, setting up a fund, PR, etc.

Did the Paynes do all that ?

[xtina]

I think that is OK do you know that parents of another child who was abducted and murdered also searched for just over an hour and that was OK too.

They searched where Madeleine had been that week,   THEN just as ALL parents of missing children they WAITED FOR THE POLICE.

The following morning they searched again for an hour,  the police were due back so they again waited for the police to arrive then went to the station.

For some reason you are trying to make out that the McCann's have behaved differently to other parents whose children have gone missing,   they didn't.

They searched where Madeleine had been that week,


p. 83 Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week

[Lace]

You have a cite for that ?

The mccanns had time for irrelevant foreign trips, meeting 'celebrities',  jogging, setting up a fund, PR, etc.

Did the Paynes do all that ?

I have read Sara Payne's book and she said in there how long they searched for,   there was also a programme on not long ago about Sarah and Sara was on that too.



The irrelevant foreign trips were to raise awareness that Madeleine was missing,   the McCann's believed Madeleine to have been abducted,   they went to the countries where she could have been taken.

Jogging,   they had a very good 'expert'  arrive in Portugal who would have helped them deal with the anxiety and trauma caused through having a missing child,  jogging was something they could do to ease the anxiety,  just has some people go for walks etc.   maybe it's something you don't understand Stephen.

The fund was set up as there were so many people wanting to help them,   they had so much money pouring in they had to set something up into which they could safely put the money,   what else could they do with it?

[Benice]

No, what was truly pathetic, was the mccanns lack of searching for their 'believed' daughter.

I presume you also think April Jones parents and Sandy Davidson's mother are just as 'truly pathetic' - as they didn't join in the searching either.

In fact April's father said he regularly walked up a nearby hill and sat there watching other people searching for his daughter in the valley below.    How disgraceful was that?  Why wasn't he down there helping them - especially as he would know the area well?  Her mother didn't search either - she was so badly affected that she could hardly bring herself to leave the house, so she stayed in while millions of tax payers £s were being spent on the search which she chose not to take part in.    Tut tut - how selfish was that -especially as it was her fault her daughter was allowed outside unsupervised.

Sandy Davidson's mother couldn't bring herself to search because she was frightened of what she might find. Dear me what sort of mother allows her own feelings to prevent her looking for her own child?

I don't see how anyone who criticises the McCanns re searching  - can do so without also agreeing with the above. - as not to agree would make them huge hypocrites IMO.

[Lace]

They searched where Madeleine had been that week,


p. 83 Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week

Yes,  and?  a paedophile could have snatched her,  it is said that if a paedophile snatches a child they usually dump the child within a couple of hours.

[Lace]

Why didn't Amaral when informed that Madeleine hadn't been found, knowing the window was open in her bedroom,  immediately have road blocks,   police at air ports,  ferries.   He's the one who didn't bother,   do the police in Portugal just forget a child is missing after the initial search?

People criticise the McCann's yet they were left alone after the Police left,  see you tomorrow they said.   How about getting on to the person in charge,  saying,  we haven't found the child,  the window was open in her bedroom the parents think she could have been abducted,  shall we put road blocks out,  man the airports etc.?   No,   lets go to bed and think about things tomorrow.

[stephen25000]

I have read Sara Payne's book and she said in there how long they searched for,   there was also a programme on not long ago about Sarah and Sara was on that too.



The irrelevant foreign trips were to raise awareness that Madeleine was missing,   the McCann's believed Madeleine to have been abducted,   they went to the countries where she could have been taken.

Jogging,   they had a very good 'expert'  arrive in Portugal who would have helped them deal with the anxiety and trauma caused through having a missing child,  jogging was something they could do to ease the anxiety,  just has some people go for walks etc.   maybe it's something you don't understand Stephen.

The fund was set up as there were so many people wanting to help them,   they had so much money pouring in they had to set something up into which they could safely put the money,   what else could they do with it?

You're making pathetic excuses.

Why the need for foreign trips and meeting 'celebrities' ?

The case was already worldwide news, the trips were pandering to the mccanns egos.

Obviously, for you jogging, etc., is far more important than searching.

As to the fund, that was set up for the long term. 

[stephen25000]

I presume you also think April Jones parents and Sandy Davidson's mother are just as 'truly pathetic' - as they didn't join in the searching either.

In fact April's father said he regularly walked up a nearby hill and sat there watching other people searching for his daughter in the valley below.    How disgraceful was that?  Why wasn't he down there helping them - especially as he would know the area well?  Her mother didn't search either - she was so badly affected that she could hardly bring herself to leave the house, so she stayed in while millions of tax payers £s were being spent on the search which she chose not to take part in.    Tut tut - how selfish was that -especially as it was her fault her daughter was allowed outside unsupervised.

Sandy Davidson's mother couldn't bring herself to search because she was frightened of what she might find. Dear me what sort of mother allows her own feelings to prevent her looking for her own child?

I don't see how anyone who criticises the McCanns re searching  - can do so without also agreeing with the above. - as not to agree would make them huge hypocrites IMO.

IMO.

That is your calling card.

So are you saying the mccanns didn't want to search, because they knew Madeleine was dead ?

[stephen25000]

Why didn't Amaral when informed that Madeleine hadn't been found, knowing the window was open in her bedroom,  immediately have road blocks,   police at air ports,  ferries.   He's the one who didn't bother,   do the police in Portugal just forget a child is missing after the initial search?

People criticise the McCann's yet they were left alone after the Police left,  see you tomorrow they said.   How about getting on to the person in charge,  saying,  we haven't found the child,  the window was open in her bedroom the parents think she could have been abducted,  shall we put road blocks out,  man the airports etc.?   No,   lets go to bed and think about things tomorrow.

We know, according to kate mccann the 'window was open'.

Not from an independent source before 10 pm.

[Benice]

i wouldn't even go there as to compare k mcc ...to Sara Payne as mothers.....

Why not - there is no evidence at all from the people who knew the McCanns that they were anything other than normal loving parents - and  there are plenty of photographs and videos evidence to show that Madeleine had a lovely life - in fact some would say a privileged life compared to some chidren.   

None of the witnesses who knew the family had a bad word to say about them as parents - and no-one has ever come out of the woodwork to say otherwise.     And believe you me - if the press could have found someone to do that - it would have been splashed all over their  front pages.

None of what happened in PdL can alter any of that IMO.

You might as well claim that Sara Paynes family were delinquent as they left their children on their own for hours without a thought for any dangers they were placing them  - and  then claim that by doing that -  it cancelled out any idea that they were normal loving parents before that fateful day.

Utter nonsense IMO.

 

[Lace]

You're making pathetic excuses.

Why the need for foreign trips and meeting 'celebrities' ?

The case was already worldwide news, the trips were pandering to the mccanns egos.

Obviously, for you jogging, etc., is far more important than searching.

As to the fund, that was set up for the long term. 

They went to the countries where they thought Madeleine may have been taken,  you are forgetting they had help with decisions on what they could be doing to keep people aware that Madeleine was missing.   They took posters that could be erected in the different countries.   Madeleine may well have been worldwide news,  but they went to give out posters so that the people in these countries were aware that Madeleine could be in their country.  If you think the trips were pandering to the McCann's egos then that is your view,  others saw parents who desperately wanted to find their daughter.

I will ignore your childish remark that jogging was more important than searching,  as it is a remark that many make to fan the flames that the McCann's are nasty evil parents who don't love their children.

The fund was set up for all the money given to them by well wishers,  if Madeleine was found then no doubt they would have given the money to charity.

[Lace]

We know, according to kate mccann the 'window was open'.

Not from an independent source before 10 pm.

That it utterly immaterial,  the parents said the window was open,  they should have taken that as true and acted on it.

[stephen25000]

That it utterly immaterial,  the parents said the window was open,  they should have taken that as true and acted on it.

kate mccann saying the window was open, does not make it true.

Madeleine was extensively searched for over a period of weeks, whereas the mccanns 'searching' terminated the following morning.

No evidence was found to back up or indicate abduction. The PJ were advised to investigate the mccanns.

[stephen25000]

They went to the countries where they thought Madeleine may have been taken,  you are forgetting they had help with decisions on what they could be doing to keep people aware that Madeleine was missing.   They took posters that could be erected in the different countries.   Madeleine may well have been worldwide news,  but they went to give out posters so that the people in these countries were aware that Madeleine could be in their country.  If you think the trips were pandering to the McCann's egos then that is your view,  others saw parents who desperately wanted to find their daughter.

I will ignore your childish remark that jogging was more important than searching,  as it is a remark that many make to fan the flames that the McCann's are nasty evil parents who don't love their children.

The fund was set up for all the money given to them by well wishers,  if Madeleine was found then no doubt they would have given the money to charity.

Do you not comprehend.

it was a worldwide story.

Going abroad had zero impact on finding Madeleine.

How did going to the White House for example help in the 'search' ?

[Lace]

kate mccann saying the window was open, does not make it true.

Madeleine was extensively searched for over a period of weeks, whereas the mccanns 'searching' terminated the following morning.

No evidence was found to back up or indicate abduction. The PJ were advised to investigate the mccanns.

The police should have acknowledged that the parents said the window was open,  whether they believed them or not,   action should have been taken straight away in case she had been abducted as well as doing a search of the surrounding area.

Why do you keep saying the McCann's search terminated the following morning?    The police took over,  they went to the station,   what don't you understand?

The police were advised to investigate the McCann's after Amaral completely misunderstood the DNA results and fitted his theory against them.