So what actual searching was there?

[Mr Gray]

Of course not and can't be bothered to Google for any because I am not afflicted with "Normalcy Bias" or "It Can't Happen Here Syndrome" as some on here appear to be.
Mug up on that and we can discuss 

some of us do not have to google ...we know how unlikely a child is to die in  an accident in an apartment such as 5a....we know how the GMC works...we know that the idea the McCanns covered up an accident is ridiculous

[Lace]

The issue was how much time there was, that is not changed by beliefs and the time available was about two hours.

Motive: self preservation and fear of the unknown ?. The reasons for which a lot of decisions are taken by many people.

What I don't understand Alice,   is,  are you saying Madeleine died before the alert?   Are you saying Madeleine died before they went for dinner?   If so an accident happened the McCann's would have been in the apartment at the time and therefore why cover it up?

[Lace]

The issue was how much time there was, that is not changed by beliefs and the time available was about two hours.

Motive: self preservation and fear of the unknown ?. The reasons for which a lot of decisions are taken by many people.

So they concocted an abduction story for self preservation.    Instead of coming forward if Madeleine had an accident,  instead they pretended that a stranger came in and took their child,   a stranger who could be a Paedophile who murdered her.

Actually the fate of having an accident and dying in the apartment is a much better fate that being abducted by who knows who for who knows what.   

How can you say that saying their child was abducted was better than saying she'd had an accident,  which could have been palmed off with them saying she'd had the accident just before they had gone out for dinner,  which would only have been an hour or so before Gerry's check?

[G-Unit]

What I don't understand Alice,   is,  are you saying Madeleine died before the alert?   Are you saying Madeleine died before they went for dinner?   If so an accident happened the McCann's would have been in the apartment at the time and therefore why cover it up?

There are a few possible reasons why people might prefer not to have an autopsy.

[Lace]

There are a few possible reasons why people might prefer not to have an autopsy.

So they hid the body that could have been found?

Not only that,  but they proceeded in going to dinner where they laughed and joked as if everything was fine,  knowing that any minute someone could find the body?   Really?

[G-Unit]

So they hid the body that could have been found?

Not only that,  but they proceeded in going to dinner where they laughed and joked as if everything was fine,  knowing that any minute someone could find the body?   Really?

What makes you think the body could be found? Cites for laughing and joking? Kate was allegedly showing concern about an unlocked door, not laughing and joking.

[Benice]

What makes you think the body could be found? Cites for laughing and joking? Kate was allegedly showing concern about an unlocked door, not laughing and joking.

If they knew the body could not be found - why would they move it weeks later in the full glare of the world's media?

Cite please for Kate spending the whole evening talking about nothing else except her concern over an unlocked door.    That would be just one small conversation followed by many others IMO.  Didn't they have a laugh about Jayne going off to 'relieve' Russell?

If Madeleine had died and been removed from the apartment before they went to dinner - then there is no way they would have taken up Matt's offer to check on their children at 9.30 - as he could find that she was missing and that would ruin their plan to raise the alarm and claim that  the open window and shutter proved someone had broken into the apartment.

No way IMO could they sit there and eat, chat and drink normally  knowing  - not only the enormity of what they had just done - but also what was about to happen when they raised the alarm and the police arrived.   That's just too fantastical for consideration IMO.  The sheer dread and anticipation of what was about to come would be totally nerve-wracking.      We are talking about the death of their beloved daughter fgs- not the disappearance of the family hamster.

[lordpookles]

If they knew the body could not be found - why would they move it weeks later in the full glare of the world's media?

Cite please for Kate spending the whole evening talking about nothing else except her concern over an unlocked door.    That would be just one small conversation followed by many others IMO.  Didn't they have a laugh about Jayne going off to 'relieve' Russell?

If Madeleine had died and been removed from the apartment before they went to dinner - then there is no way they would have taken up Matt's offer to check on their children at 9.30 - as he could find that she was missing and that would ruin their plan to raise the alarm and claim that  the open window and shutter proved someone had broken into the apartment.

No way IMO could they sit there and eat, chat and drink normally  knowing  - not only the enormity what they had just done - but also what was about to happen when they raised the alarm and the police arrived.   That's just too fantastical for consideration IMO.  The sheer dread and anticipation of what was about to come would be totally nerve-wracking.      We are talking about the death of their beloved daughter fgs- not the disappearance of the family hamster.

I don't believe the McCanns did it precisely because of the logistics involved. However, of course they could sit there and act normally. It's been done before. Unless you know the McCanns I don't understand how you can make such ascertions? Also regarding Matt they could be hoping that he was the one to discover her missing because it would look more authentic.

[Benice]

I don't believe the McCanns did it precisely because of the logistics involved. However, of course they could sit there and act normally. It's been done before. Unless you know the McCanns I don't understand how you can make such ascertions? Also regarding Matt they could be hoping that he was the one to discover her missing because it would look more authentic.

IMO it is utterly unbelievable that both - not just one - but both parents just by sheer coincidence happened to have exemplary acting abilities on a par with oscar winning actors who make a living out of that skill.   

In fact so much so that everyone - including family liason officers, counsellors etc etc etc were completely taken in by their brilliant performances day in day out.

Apparently even though Matt's intervention could have completely ruined their plan - it didn't phase them in the slightest - and they just carried on as normal as if nothing untoward had just happened  - or was about to happen - if Matt had discovered Madeleine was missing.

Too daft for words IMO.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns could stroll off to dinner and behave completely normally after what they are alleged to have just done to their own daughter -  has no ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes IMO.    IOW - no empathy.

[Lace]

I don't believe the McCanns did it precisely because of the logistics involved. However, of course they could sit there and act normally. It's been done before. Unless you know the McCanns I don't understand how you can make such ascertions? Also regarding Matt they could be hoping that he was the one to discover her missing because it would look more authentic.

You can't convince me that two people can be laughing and enjoying a night out and then become desperate despairing parents as all the friends and others witnessed.   Kate and Gerry were complete wrecks,  that just can't be switched on like that.

As to Matthew finding Madeleine,  that would somehow defeat the point about what another poster said about the McCann's not wanting an autopsy on the body.

[G-Unit]

If they knew the body could not be found - why would they move it weeks later in the full glare of the world's media?

Cite please for Kate spending the whole evening talking about nothing else except her concern over an unlocked door.    That would be just one small conversation followed by many others IMO.  Didn't they have a laugh about Jayne going off to 'relieve' Russell?

If Madeleine had died and been removed from the apartment before they went to dinner - then there is no way they would have taken up Matt's offer to check on their children at 9.30 - as he could find that she was missing and that would ruin their plan to raise the alarm and claim that  the open window and shutter proved someone had broken into the apartment.

No way IMO could they sit there and eat, chat and drink normally  knowing  - not only the enormity what they had just done - but also what was about to happen when they raised the alarm and the police arrived.   That's just too fantastical for consideration IMO.  The sheer dread and anticipation of what was about to come would be totally nerve-wracking.      We are talking about the death of their beloved daughter fgs- not the disappearance of the family hamster.

You state as if it is a fact that a body was moved later. That's not a fact, it's a hypothesis. That's the only reported conversation in which Kate participated. All the rest is your opinion that you know the capabilities of this couple, which you don't. They proved quite good at controlling their emotions during interviews following the events of 3rd May.

[Lace]

What makes you think the body could be found? Cites for laughing and joking? Kate was allegedly showing concern about an unlocked door, not laughing and joking.

How would they know a hiding place where the body would not be found?   They were holidaying there for the week not living there.

Kate mentioned the unlocked door,  but that was just a part of a conversation,   she ate her dinner and enjoyed her evening up to the point when she discovered Madeleine was missing.

[Lace]

You state as if it is a fact that a body was moved later. That's not a fact, it's a hypothesis. That's the only reported conversation in which Kate participated. All the rest is your opinion that you know the capabilities of this couple, which you don't. They proved quite good at controlling their emotions during interviews following the events of 3rd May.

So are you saying Eddie didn't alert to the car?

[pathfinder73]

If they knew the body could not be found - why would they move it weeks later in the full glare of the world's media?

Cite please for Kate spending the whole evening talking about nothing else except her concern over an unlocked door.    That would be just one small conversation followed by many others IMO.  Didn't they have a laugh about Jayne going off to 'relieve' Russell?

If Madeleine had died and been removed from the apartment before they went to dinner - then there is no way they would have taken up Matt's offer to check on their children at 9.30 - as he could find that she was missing and that would ruin their plan to raise the alarm and claim that  the open window and shutter proved someone had broken into the apartment.

No way IMO could they sit there and eat, chat and drink normally  knowing  - not only the enormity what they had just done - but also what was about to happen when they raised the alarm and the police arrived.   That's just too fantastical for consideration IMO.  The sheer dread and anticipation of what was about to come would be totally nerve-wracking.      We are talking about the death of their beloved daughter fgs- not the disappearance of the family hamster.

The door was unlocked so it wouldn't matter if Matt raised the alarm - somebody could still get inside. An open window only indicates that she didn't leave by herself. Find the man seen going towards the beach with her clone. The McCanns should be promoting that sighting if they want to find their daughter because he knows everything

[G-Unit]

You can't convince me that two people can be laughing and enjoying a night out and then become desperate despairing parents as all the friends and others witnessed.   Kate and Gerry were complete wrecks,  that just can't be switched on like that.

As to Matthew finding Madeleine,  that would somehow defeat the point about what another poster said about the McCann's not wanting an autopsy on the body.

You are assuming they were laughing. You are assuming people can't hide their emotions for an hour and a half in order to protect their lifestyle, their good name and their family life? The emotions emerged once the alarm was raised, and we don't know what those emotions actually were. Matthew could have found Madeleine missing is what was said, not he could have found her.