So what actual searching was there?

[Alfred R Jones]

You are putting words in my mouth.
I said self preservation and fear of the unknown were motives.

Not very convincing ones, in the case of the accidental death of a much loved child, IMO.   

[slartibartfast]

Despite every angle being covered and every allegation and myth being debunked time and time again, we complete the circle yet again and go over the ground yet again.

I think one of the biggest myths is that everything has been debunked.

[G-Unit]

Despite every angle being covered and every allegation and myth being debunked time and time again, we complete the circle yet again and go over the ground yet again.

The disgusting innuendos being passed around like sweeties by one poster without let or hindrance and certainly without provenance except on fora where it is commonplace to dredge the slurry floating around in what must be the filthiest minds imaginable to throw at the parents of a missing child ... become more revealing as time progresses.

We are discussing ... or supposed to be discussing ... searching. 

Or primarily ... why the Drs McCann ... out of all the parents of missing children should have and should be, prowling the streets of Luz - digging up folks' gardens - pushing their way into whatever villas take their fancy to poke around - hiring a JCB to dig up the rocky ground of Luz - stalking residents etc; etc;

What an over-the-top post! The fact remains that the parents didn't search no matter how much people deny or exaggerate or try to explain.

Kate admitted to Jane Hill that she didn't physically search;

it might not be physically searching
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id212.html

Gerry admitted to the PJ that he stayed mostly in the apartment;

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Although both 'knew' that Madeleine had been abducted they nevertheless thought it was worth searching the apartment;

he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

So it was worth searching inside but not outside? Not even just in case she had got out? Really?

[Alfred R Jones]

I think one of the biggest myths is that everything has been debunked.

yeah, there was deffo lichen on that windowsill, no doubt about it.

[Alfred R Jones]

What an over-the-top post! The fact remains that the parents didn't search no matter how much people deny or exaggerate or try to explain.

Kate admitted to Jane Hill that she didn't physically search;

it might not be physically searching
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id212.html

Gerry admitted to the PJ that he stayed mostly in the apartment;

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Although both 'knew' that Madeleine had been abducted they nevertheless thought it was worth searching the apartment;

he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

So it was worth searching inside but not outside? Not even just in case she had got out? Really?

A perfect example of a myth, debunked countless times, but here we are reset to zero once again. 

[G-Unit]

A perfect example of a myth, debunked countless times, but here we are reset to zero once again.

Feel free to dispute my post; with cites, of course.

[Mr Gray]

What an over-the-top post! The fact remains that the parents didn't search no matter how much people deny or exaggerate or try to explain.

Kate admitted to Jane Hill that she didn't physically search;

it might not be physically searching
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id212.html

Gerry admitted to the PJ that he stayed mostly in the apartment;

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Although both 'knew' that Madeleine had been abducted they nevertheless thought it was worth searching the apartment;

he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds, inside the wardrobes in all the rooms at the same time that Kate told him she had looked everywhere.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

So it was worth searching inside but not outside? Not even just in case she had got out? Really?

Kate did search...you are promoting untruths again

[Alfred R Jones]

Feel free to dispute my post; with cites, of course.

What's the point?  You've already admitted that they conducted outdoor searches earlier on this thread, but now you are stating as fact "they didn't search". 

The use of Kate's interview to Jane Hill to try and prove your point is disingenuous to say the least.  Kate was clearly talking about the searching that was going on at the time of the interview, some days after Madeleine's disappearance and it was not an admission that she had never done any physical searching at all.  But you carry on pedalling your half-truths and myths if it brings you deep satisfaction.

[Alfred R Jones]

Interview date: 25th May 2007

Kate McCann: We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and its been able to make us focus really so we have actually, in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can, really, to get Madeleine back.

Note the use of the present tense "we have...not be(en) physically searching, but we've been working really hard..."etc 

Meaning, at the time of the interview, 3 weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, they had not been physically searching, but that is not an admission that they have never searched, no matter that some prefer their own interpretation.  Any reasonable person would understand this, unfortunately most sceptics are not very reasonable.
 

[Anna]

McCanns walking on the beach photo…….
It was photographed 10 days after the disappearance. If they were followed about like this all the time (even on a Sunday)  what chance did they ever have of searching. 
They went jogging early morning the following day 14th for the first time since the disappearance, but still got caught on camera.

And an idea of how big the press crowds were awaiting their every move as shown on the  video.
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-of-kate-and-gerry-mccann-walking-on-a-news-footage/487716052

[Mr Gray]

Tell me about it, I have seen the worst excesses by so-called professionals of all sorts whilst serving in the police and that includes, politicians, councillors, doctors, accountants, bank managers and dentists to name but a few.  The bottom line is that people don't suddenly become moral simply because they have a degree or letters before their name.

eta. I forgot solicitors, advocates and judges some of whom have been guilty of some terrible abuses.

Absolutely true.....but you will find that people like Shipman have history.....no one has come forward with abad word to say about the McCanns....and of course no criticism at all is allowed re Grime because he is a professional

[ferryman]

Absolutely true.....but you will find that people like Shipman have history.....no one has come forward with abad word to say about the McCanns....and of course no criticism at all is allowed re Grime because he is a professional

Now don't get me started, Dave.

You'll land me in trouble ...

[ferryman]

I think one of the biggest myths is that everything has been debunked.

That Grime fouled up with the dogs has not been debunked ....

[Lace]

Shipman wasn't murdering his own family was he?   

In the case of the step father of Tia Sharp we don't know how he reacted when he killed Tia,  for all we know he could have gone absolutely crazy before he hid her body in the attic.    He had had time for composure when he was faced by the cameras.   The McCann's behaved exactly how you would expect them to behave when finding their daughter missing.   Can anyone who has lost a child even for minutes remember what that feeling was like?   Well imagine that only a million times worse.   They didn't find their child.

As to the searching which some are STILL bringing up,   the McCann's DID search,  they searched around 5a,  they searched around the surrounding area,  Madeleine was not found,  they waited for the police.

[slartibartfast]

That Grime fouled up with the dogs has not been debunked ....

It's libellous. So don't repeat.