So what actual searching was there?

[misty]

The second phonecall call to GNR station ends at 22.53.40.
Then the GNR station radios the car.
So the car is passing through Valverde at 22.54
How many minutes to drive fast Valverde to 24hr reception ?
And how many minutes to drive 24hr reception to 5A ?

It's approx. 2km from Valverde to Rua Direta but I'm a bit unsure about the route around the one way system as shown on GE. 5 minutes minimum I would say to the 24 hr reception.

[ShiningInLuz]

It's approx. 2km from Valverde to Rua Direta but I'm a bit unsure about the route around the one way system as shown on GE. 5 minutes minimum I would say to the 24 hr reception.

Does the GNR car actually know where OC 24 hr reception is?  Is there any reason why it should?

If it doesn't, you need to factor in the time it took to find OC reception.

[misty]

Does the GNR car actually know where OC 24 hr reception is?  Is there any reason why it should?

If it doesn't, you need to factor in the time it took to find OC reception.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html


José Maria Batista Roque - Statement, 16 May 2007
 
 

Processos Volume V

Pages 1348 – 1349

Witness Statement

 

José María Batista Roque


Date: 2007 – 05 –16

Occupation: GNR Officer

He comes to the process for a second time, having made a previous statement giving details about the police intervention at the site of the events.

He has been a GNR officer since 1986, he currently works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May he was on duty at the events, he arrived at the OC at about 23.00 accompanied by Officer Costa. They were the first to arrive on the scene.

They went to the reception of the OC resort.

At that moment the girl’s father arrived at the reception who informed them of the situation......snipped

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José Maria Batista Roque - Statement, 17 October 2007
 
 

Processos Volume XII


 

Pages 3281 - 3284

 

Witness Statement

 

José María Batista Roque

 

Date: 17 – 10 - 2007

 

He comes to the process as a witness. He is an officer with the Lagos GNR and has worked for the Guarda for 21 years.

 

He confirms the integrity of his previous statements.

 

As regards the facts on the night of 3rd May, when he was on patrol with his colleague Costa in Odiaxere, he received a radio communication from the central telling him to go to P da L, specifically to the reception of OC resort where the father of a girl who had disappeared was. When they were on their way to this place and had reached the zone of Valverde he received another communication saying that this was a very young girl and that her father had called again. They continued on their way, now with urgency, heading for the main reception of the resort.

 

When they arrived, they saw the girl's father, a friend whom he cannot describe, an OC employee and a translator who was also an OC employee, named Silvia Batista...........snipped
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Given the length of service of both officers, I think it is safe to assume that at least one of them would have been familiar with the route to OC reception.
I think it would be more interesting to start the timing proper from 22.41 in Odiaxere to determine if they really could have reached Valverde by 2254. Did they leave the scene of the burglary they were attending straight away?



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[mercury]

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José Maria Batista Roque - Statement, 16 May 2007
 
 

Processos Volume V

Pages 1348 – 1349

Witness Statement

 

José María Batista Roque


Date: 2007 – 05 –16

Occupation: GNR Officer

He comes to the process for a second time, having made a previous statement giving details about the police intervention at the site of the events.

He has been a GNR officer since 1986, he currently works at the Lagos GNR post.

On 3rd May he was on duty at the events, he arrived at the OC at about 23.00 accompanied by Officer Costa. They were the first to arrive on the scene.

They went to the reception of the OC resort.

At that moment the girl’s father arrived at the reception who informed them of the situation......snipped

                                                    -----------------------------------------------------


José Maria Batista Roque - Statement, 17 October 2007
 
 

Processos Volume XII


 

Pages 3281 - 3284

 

Witness Statement

 

José María Batista Roque

 

Date: 17 – 10 - 2007

 

He comes to the process as a witness. He is an officer with the Lagos GNR and has worked for the Guarda for 21 years.

 

He confirms the integrity of his previous statements.

 

As regards the facts on the night of 3rd May, when he was on patrol with his colleague Costa in Odiaxere, he received a radio communication from the central telling him to go to P da L, specifically to the reception of OC resort where the father of a girl who had disappeared was. When they were on their way to this place and had reached the zone of Valverde he received another communication saying that this was a very young girl and that her father had called again. They continued on their way, now with urgency, heading for the main reception of the resort.

 

When they arrived, they saw the girl's father, a friend whom he cannot describe, an OC employee and a translator who was also an OC employee, named Silvia Batista...........snipped
                             -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Given the length of service of both officers, I think it is safe to assume that at least one of them would have been familiar with the route to OC reception.
I think it would be more interesting to start the timing proper from 22.41 in Odiaxere to determine if they really could have reached Valverde by 2254. Did they leave the scene of the burglary they were attending straight away?


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certainiy didnt waste time as the mccanns and co did

[pegasus]

From the town of Odiaxere to Valverde (Orbitur entrance M537) is 9km drive. For a normal driver is estimated to take 9 minutes with no traffic.

[misty]

From the town of Odiaxere to Valverde (Orbitur entrance M537) is 9km drive. For a normal driver is estimated to take 9 minutes with no traffic.

OK, so it is probable that the GNR were at Valverde at 2254. What is your estimation of the time from there to OC reception, taking the narrow one-way streets into consideration?

[mercury]

OK, so it is probable that the GNR were at Valverde at 2254. What is your estimation of the time from there to OC reception, taking the narrow one-way streets into consideration?

get back to basics...mccanns or friends  did not ring police for about 40 mins plus...pathetic by any means if sure was an abduction.....no excuses count either...none..ts like a health scare...you do NOT hesitate...ie wait for your mate to jog around...you CALL and you make SURE how to call or that smeone else calls if youre incapacitated or some other reason,   PDQ, end of....all of this nonsense is just that! Bloody total nonsense

Goodnight, i
Mccanns have  massive case to answer hopefulky one day they will feel the need to confess to everything that happenned without minders and pr etc one can hope bye now, off to watch the frankenstein chronicls,more believable than an abduction

[pegasus]

OK, so it is probable that the GNR were at Valverde at 2254. What is your estimation of the time from there to OC reception, taking the narrow one-way streets into consideration?

In 2015 Rua Direita is oneway (east) so fastest route from Valverde (Orbitur entrance) to 24hr reception is probably to Rua Ramalhete then down Rua Martins? 2.2km, about 5 minutes normal driving.
In 2007 maybe a little shorter if Rua Direita was two-way???

[pegasus]

get back to basics...mccanns or friends  did not ring police for about 40 mins plus...pathetic by any means if sure was an abduction.....no excuses count either...none..ts like a health scare...you do NOT hesitate...ie wait for your mate to jog around...you CALL and you make SURE how to call or that smeone else calls if youre incapacitated or some other reason,   PDQ, end of....all of this nonsense is just that! Bloody total nonsense

Goodnight,
Mccanns have  massive case to answer hopefulky one day they will feel the need to confess to everything that happenned without mnders and pr etc one can hope bye now

Yes 40 minutes before 1st call to police.
For the thread title the relevance is -
there was absolutely no police search of the inside of the apartment for the first 65 minutes.

[misty]

In 2015 Rua Direita is oneway (east) so fastest route from Valverde (Orbitur entrance) to 24hr reception is probably to Rua Ramalhete then down Rua Martins? 2.2km, about 5 minutes normal driving.
In 2007 maybe a little shorter if Rua Direita was two-way???

Realistically, then - the earliest the GNR would have been at OC reception was 2259 - just after SB arrived from her home in Lagos (was she phoned before the police were?) and at the same time as GM appeared there.
How long for translating?
2314 & 2317 - nothing suspicious about those calls imo.

[pegasus]

Realistically, then - the earliest the GNR would have been at OC reception was 2259 - just after SB arrived from her home in Lagos (was she phoned before the police were?) and at the same time as GM appeared there.
How long for translating?
2314 & 2317 - nothing suspicious about those calls imo.

Valverde to reception is probably less than 5 minutes for police on urgent response.
IMO 3 minutes ?
If police arrive reception 2257 or 2259, IMO they would arrive 5A before 2314.
 

[Lace]

get back to basics...mccanns or friends  did not ring police for about 40 mins plus...pathetic by any means if sure was an abduction.....no excuses count either...none..ts like a health scare...you do NOT hesitate...ie wait for your mate to jog around...you CALL and you make SURE how to call or that smeone else calls if youre incapacitated or some other reason,   PDQ, end of....all of this nonsense is just that! Bloody total nonsense

Goodnight, i
Mccanns have  massive case to answer hopefulky one day they will feel the need to confess to everything that happenned without minders and pr etc one can hope bye now, off to watch the frankenstein chronicls,more believable than an abduction

Hang on,  reception did not ring police you mean,  they were asked to whether they didn't because they had their own arrangement of how to deal with a missing child I don't know,  but they were asked to ring.

How many people ring on behalf of someone else because they are too traumatised?

The thing is mercury, it hasn't happened to you so you really don't know how you would react,  the brain does some weird things when faced with trauma such as this.

[G-Unit]

Hang on,  reception did not ring police you mean,  they were asked to whether they didn't because they had their own arrangement of how to deal with a missing child I don't know,  but they were asked to ring.

How many people ring on behalf of someone else because they are too traumatised?

The thing is mercury, it hasn't happened to you so you really don't know how you would react,  the brain does some weird things when faced with trauma such as this.

Matthew Oldfield said he asked the receptionist to ring the police. The receptionist makes no mention of speaking to Matthew Oldfield.

[Lace]

Matthew Oldfield said he asked the receptionist to ring the police. The receptionist makes no mention of speaking to Matthew Oldfield.

So you are saying Matthew Oldfield lied?   Why would he do that?

[G-Unit]

So you are saying Matthew Oldfield lied?   Why would he do that?

why didn't the receptionist mention it then?