So what actual searching was there?

[pegasus]

JH used his mobile to phone reception at 2238, IMO from the tapas area, and told reception to phone GNR.

[ShiningInLuz]

Yes HL could have used a either a mobile, or a different landline.
But realising the call to VS was not from OC main landline system, means the call was probably at 2254 IMO (immediate after the 2252 call to GNR).
If VS was phoned at 2254, how long would it take him to get from his home to 24h reception?

According to his statement, it took him 10 to 15 minutes.

[pegasus]

According to his statement, it took him 10 to 15 minutes.

If HL phones VS at 2254 and VS arrives at reception 10 to 15 minutes later
That's 2204 or 2209 and GNR are still at reception.
So GNR arrival at 5A is about 2210?
For the first hour and ten minutes there was no police search of 5A.

[ShiningInLuz]

If HL phones VS at 2254 and VS arrives at reception 10 to 15 minutes later
That's 2204 or 2209 and GNR are still at reception.
So GNR arrival at 5A is about 2210?
For the first hour and ten minutes there was no police search of 5A.

Personally, I think you have to factor in the two calls from Gerry to Kate.  I doubt he was making them whilst inside 5A, and IMO he was not outside 5A while Kate was dealing with the GNR inside 5A.  I think both calls were made before the GNR made it to 5A, pushing time of arrival still further on.

[G-Unit]

Personally, I think you have to factor in the two calls from Gerry to Kate.  I doubt he was making them whilst inside 5A, and IMO he was not outside 5A while Kate was dealing with the GNR inside 5A.  I think both calls were made before the GNR made it to 5A, pushing time of arrival still further on.

There were actually 4 calls from Gerry to Kate between 23.14 and 23.17, all deleted except for the last one.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

I thought Silvia Batista might help, as she was there, but just discovered more discrepancies. She and her husband say George Crossland phoned them, he says they were there before him.

She is aware of the events that occurred in the Ocean Club resort, having had knowledge of the girl's disappearance, by 22H.30 on 03/05/2007, through a telephone call from the administrator George Robin Crosland .
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

According to Silvia Batista she was phoned between 2230 and 2300 and she drove to the OC. she went straight to 5A and entered. She didn't speak to anyone because she was informed that the GNR were at reception. She walked (?) back to reception and discovered that GMC and friend had followed her.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Her husband says they arrived at OC at around 2300.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm

George Crossland says;

The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND-1.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

There were actually 4 calls from Gerry to Kate between 23.14 and 23.17, all deleted except for the last one.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

I thought Silvia Batista might help, as she was there, but just discovered more discrepancies. She and her husband say George Crossland phoned them, he says they were there before him.

She is aware of the events that occurred in the Ocean Club resort, having had knowledge of the girl's disappearance, by 22H.30 on 03/05/2007, through a telephone call from the administrator George Robin Crosland .
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

According to Silvia Batista she was phoned between 2230 and 2300 and she drove to the OC. she went straight to 5A and entered. She didn't speak to anyone because she was informed that the GNR were at reception. She walked (?) back to reception and discovered that GMC and friend had followed her.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Her husband says they arrived at OC at around 2300.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BATISTA.htm

George Crossland says;

The deponent left toward the local where he arrived at 22H25 and there found John Hill and other functionaries, Silvia Batista, Joao Batista, the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND-1.htm

I make it 2 calls.  I have been translating the analysis of the 74,104 calls/texts made in/out of Luz's 3 antennas from 2-4 May.

The preamble is clear about the following.  If a call originating in Luz is made by a phone on operator A and it is received by a phone on operator B, it will show up twice in the records, and may have slightly different details due to the operators running slightly different clocks.

Both calls match this pattern.  The start time and durations of each pair means it is either just one call (due to the A B route) or it is two calls that overlap - a physical impossibility.

So, 2 calls not 4.  And if Kate had 1 left on her phone, it means 1 was deleted, not 3.

[G-Unit]

I make it 2 calls.  I have been translating the analysis of the 74,104 calls/texts made in/out of Luz's 3 antennas from 2-4 May.

The preamble is clear about the following.  If a call originating in Luz is made by a phone on operator A and it is received by a phone on operator B, it will show up twice in the records, and may have slightly different details due to the operators running slightly different clocks.

Both calls match this pattern.  The start time and durations of each pair means it is either just one call (due to the A B route) or it is two calls that overlap - a physical impossibility.

So, 2 calls not 4.  And if Kate had 1 left on her phone, it means 1 was deleted, not 3.

That sounds more like it. Four calls in that timescale seem excessive. I can imagine 2 calls (Police are here)(We are coming back) but not 4.

[pegasus]

Yes only two calls.
Father to mother at 2314 and 2317.
Mother is in/near 5A?
At 2314 maybe father is outside 24h reception?
At 2317 maybe he is still at 24h reception or maybe in patrol car on way from there to 5A?
If this is right there was no police search of 5A until at least 80 minutes after the 10pm check.

[pegasus]

No-one has posted a statement which says "I pulled that sofa out and searched behind it".

It's not an immediately obvious place to search. So who did search behind it?

[misty]

No-one has posted a statement which says "I pulled that sofa out and searched behind it".

It's not an immediately obvious place to search. So who did search behind it?

Out of all the areas in 5a, behind the sofa would have been near the top of anyone's search list imo.
It had been moved, Amaral said the sofa had been moved, and the curtains behind it had been disturbed. 

[Brietta]

Out of all the areas in 5a, behind the sofa would have been near the top of anyone's search list imo.
It had been moved, Amaral said the sofa had been moved, and the curtains behind it had been disturbed.

Along with under the beds ... into cupboards ... behind curtains ... the sofa is the top item to move to look behind if looking for a child you hope is hiding.

[pegasus]

No-one mentions moving it to look behind it in their statement.

[misty]

No-one mentions moving it to look behind it in their statement.

Witnesses aren't allowed to be asked leading questions, are they?

[pegasus]

Witnesses aren't allowed to be asked leading questions, are they?

There is nothing to stop police asking a witness "did you search behind the sofa?"

[misty]

There is nothing to stop police asking a witness "did you search behind the sofa?"

I may be wrong, but I think the PJ would only have been allowed to ask "where did you search inside the apartment?". Please bear in mind where the cadaver odour & "multitude" of blood splatters were later found.