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Offline Brietta

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1605 on: May 31, 2016, 11:28:44 AM »
On  topic, the Mccanns stopped searching the morning after Madeleine disappeared.

After all, they were busy doing other things.

Cite, the interview with Jane Hill of the BBC.

Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 4th of May 2007, at 11.15 a.m.
Processos Vol I, pages 34 - 41
Location: CID Portimão

Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, on the 4th of May 2007, at 2.20 p.m.
Processos Vol I, pages 58-65
Location: CID Portimão


They were being interviewed by the police on the 4th May and giving them information to assist the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter.

If you must make a pejorative statement please try to base it on fact.  Apart from anything else it is not recommended that the parents of a missing child physically search for a missing child for many reasons two of which are ...
  • the parents should be available to answer any queries from the police search teams
  • the danger of contaminating a crime scene and destroying evidence should they find the body of the missing child ~ it is highly likely the first thing a parent would do would be to run and cradle the child's body
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1606 on: May 31, 2016, 11:31:30 AM »
Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, on the 4th of May 2007, at 11.15 a.m.
Processos Vol I, pages 34 - 41
Location: CID Portimão

Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, on the 4th of May 2007, at 2.20 p.m.
Processos Vol I, pages 58-65
Location: CID Portimão


They were being interviewed by the police on the 4th May and giving them information to assist the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter.

If you must make a pejorative statement please try to base it on fact.  Apart from anything else it is not recommended that the parents of a missing child physically search for a missing child for many reasons two of which are ...
  • the parents should be available to answer any queries from the police search teams
  • the danger of contaminating a crime scene and destroying evidence should they find the body of the missing child ~ it is highly likely the first thing a parent would do would be to run and cradle the child's body


The crime scene was already contaminated.

NO ONE stopped the McCann's searching.

The Mccann's were interviewed. Nothing stopped them searching afterwards.

Offline misty

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1607 on: May 31, 2016, 11:42:27 AM »

The crime scene was already contaminated.

NO ONE stopped the McCann's searching.

The Mccann's were interviewed. Nothing stopped them searching afterwards.

Please read Brietta's post again & try to understand it.

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1608 on: May 31, 2016, 11:46:30 AM »
Please read Brietta's post again & try to understand it.

I understand it, perfectly well.

Offline misty

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1609 on: May 31, 2016, 11:48:30 AM »
I understand it, perfectly well.

Obviously not. Crime scene of any body found - not 5a.

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1610 on: May 31, 2016, 11:53:50 AM »
Obviously not. Crime scene of any body found - not 5a.

As we are often reminded, a lack of confirmatory evidence, or just evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist.

Offline Benice

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1611 on: May 31, 2016, 12:21:05 PM »
As we are often reminded, a lack of confirmatory evidence, or just evidence, does not mean it doesn't exist.

I think you've missed the point Stephen which was that if a body had been found in the surrounding area - then that would become the crime scene.   If the parents had found the body - there would be a strong possibility that they would run to her and touch her and therefore risk contaminating the scene. 

Best therefore to listen to the police and stay at home - which is what they did.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Brietta

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1612 on: May 31, 2016, 12:25:56 PM »

The crime scene was already contaminated.

NO ONE stopped the McCann's searching.

The Mccann's were interviewed. Nothing stopped them searching afterwards.

McCanns give first interview


Gerry and Kate McCann give their first television interview after their daughter's abduction in Portugal.
The interview, which was conducted by the BBC's Jane Hill, was first broadcast on 25 May 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7371013.stm


You said,
"On  topic, the Mccanns stopped searching the morning after Madeleine disappeared.
After all, they were busy doing other things.
Cite, the interview with Jane Hill of the BBC."

You are correct that they "were busy doing other things" than searching for Madeleine ... they were doing the more important job of giving the PJ all the information they could to facilitate the official PJ search for Madeleine.

  • Why do you think two exhausted, distraught and emotionally drained individuals whose daughter had just vanished and who were convinced she was in the hands of a stranger should not have been doing that? (assisting the police)
  • Why do you think had they physically searched when you insist they should have been searching would have made the slightest difference or enhanced the searches being carried out by parties reported to be in their hundreds searching every corner of Luz?
  • Why do you think publicising a missing child is such a bad thing to do?
  • Why haven't you noticed the unceasing search for her that Madeleine's parents have been pursuing for the last nine years ... apart from constant criticism of them and every effort they make on Madeleine's behalf?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 12:30:18 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1613 on: May 31, 2016, 12:26:37 PM »
I think you've missed the point Stephen which was that if a body had been found in the surrounding area - then that would become the crime scene.   If the parents had found the body - there would be a strong possibility that they would run to her and touch her and therefore risk contaminating the scene. 

Best therefore to listen to the police and stay at home - which is what they did.

The mccanns have not searched since the morning after Madeleine's disappearance.

So when will they do so again ?

stephen25000

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Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1614 on: May 31, 2016, 12:28:06 PM »
McCanns give first interview


Gerry and Kate McCann give their first television interview after their daughter's abduction in Portugal.
The interview, which was conducted by the BBC's Jane Hill, was first broadcast on 25 May 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7371013.stm


You said,
"On  topic, the Mccanns stopped searching the morning after Madeleine disappeared.
After all, they were busy doing other things.
Cite, the interview with Jane Hill of the BBC."

You are correct that they "were busy doing other things" than searching for Madeleine ... they were doing the more important job of giving the PJ all the information they could to facilitate the official PJ search for Madeleine.

  • Why do you think two exhausted, distraught and emotionally drained individuals whose daughter had just vanished and who were convinced she was in the hands of a stranger should not have been doing that?
  • Why do you think had they physically searched when you insist they should have been searching would have made the slightest difference or enhanced the searches being carried out by parties reported to be in their hundreds searching every corner of Luz?
  • Why do you think publicising a missing child si such a bad thing to do?
  • Why haven't you noticed the unceasing search for her that Madeleine's parents have been pursuing for the last nine years ... apart from constant criticism of them and every effort they make on Madeleine's behalf?

Just remind me Brietta, which two people triggered this case.

Nothing you can say will change that.

Offline mercury

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1615 on: June 01, 2016, 12:06:34 AM »
McCanns give first interview


Gerry and Kate McCann give their first television interview after their daughter's abduction in Portugal.
The interview, which was conducted by the BBC's Jane Hill, was first broadcast on 25 May 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7371013.stm


You said,
"On  topic, the Mccanns stopped searching the morning after Madeleine disappeared.
After all, they were busy doing other things.
Cite, the interview with Jane Hill of the BBC."

You are correct that they "were busy doing other things" than searching for Madeleine ... they were doing the more important job of giving the PJ all the information they could to facilitate the official PJ search for Madeleine.

  • Why do you think two exhausted, distraught and emotionally drained individuals whose daughter had just vanished and who were convinced she was in the hands of a stranger should not have been doing that? (assisting the police)
  • Why do you think had they physically searched when you insist they should have been searching would have made the slightest difference or enhanced the searches being carried out by parties reported to be in their hundreds searching every corner of Luz?
  • Why do you think publicising a missing child is such a bad thing to do?
  • Why haven't you noticed the unceasing search for her that Madeleine's parents have been pursuing for the last nine years ... apart from constant criticism of them and every effort they make on Madeleine's behalf?

How do you do bullet points in here brietta?

In answer to one of them perhaps madeleine mccann might have answered to her parents voices?

Kate stayed indoors all night saying it was too cold and dark!!!

People would look for their cats and dogs whatever the weather

Offline pegasus

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1616 on: June 01, 2016, 02:45:12 AM »
Read the statements of V.Martins and J.Barreiras (the two PJ officers who attended at about 1pm).
Neither of them did any searching of the apartment at all.
They both took for granted that the GNR had searched the apartment fully (which they hadn't).

Offline Brietta

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1617 on: June 01, 2016, 03:22:05 PM »
How do you do bullet points in here brietta?

In answer to one of them perhaps madeleine mccann might have answered to her parents voices?

Kate stayed indoors all night saying it was too cold and dark!!!

People would look for their cats and dogs whatever the weather

Look above the clappy hand emoticon you will see two boxes one with blocks, one with numbers. 
Click on the one you want to use. Ignore the top line telling you the list type ~ list or decimal.  Type within the bracketed li and / li and that should do it for you.


There would have been absolutely no point searching in the pitch dark when they could have passed within inches of Madeleine without being able to see her.
They were out searching at first light when no-one else was.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1618 on: June 01, 2016, 11:50:46 PM »
Look above the clappy hand emoticon you will see two boxes one with blocks, one with numbers. 
Click on the one you want to use. Ignore the top line telling you the list type ~ list or decimal.  Type within the bracketed li and / li and that should do it for you.


There would have been absolutely no point searching in the pitch dark when they could have passed within inches of Madeleine without being able to see her.
They were out searching at first light when no-one else was.

1. Thank you
2. Torches
3. Because they had been up all night to the dawn
4. Never mind ey?

Offline pegasus

Re: So what actual searching was there?
« Reply #1619 on: June 02, 2016, 02:22:40 AM »
(snip) There would have been absolutely no point searching in the pitch dark when they could have passed within inches of Madeleine without being able to see her. (snip)
Soon after the alarm, the moon rose, and it was a full moon - ideal for searching.
 
"the moon was out later on" (source: MO Rog)
« Last Edit: June 02, 2016, 02:27:30 AM by pegasus »