So what actual searching was there?

[mercury]

The time the McCanns left the Payne's apartment.

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 'Can you remember what sort of time that was roughly''
 
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 'Erm it was still very cold and, and dark, erm I think it was you know, between five and six.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Thanks PF, interesting

[misty]

I must have a blind spot about this sofa thing, can you tell me what its all about? Please?

It's all about a child hiding/having been hidden behind a sofa which was not referred to by any of the searchers as being moved & looked there.
 Cases where a child has fallen asleep in unusual places in a family home then reported as missing have been highlighted. Searchers/police failed to check thoroughly.
The issue now being raised is why pull the sofa away from the wall & push it back again? Or was it never moved?

[pathfinder73]

Thanks PF, interesting

Dark according to Fiona not so according to the McCanns. Searching in bushes, ditches and holes is hard to do in the dark unless you know where to look.

[pathfinder73]

It's all about a child hiding/having been hidden behind a sofa which was not referred to by any of the searchers as being moved & looked there.
 Cases where a child has fallen asleep in unusual places in a family home then reported as missing have been highlighted. Searchers/police failed to check thoroughly.
The issue now being raised is why pull the sofa away from the wall & push it back again? Or was it never moved?

The sofa wouldn't be up tight against the wall trapping a curtain if a child was behind it. Enough of fantasy luzland!

[misty]

The sofa wouldn't be up tight against the wall trapping a curtain if a child was behind it. Enough of fantasy luzland!

It's not my thesis, Pathfinder. I'm just explaining why we are discussing the sofa position, even though it still doesn't explain the "what happened next" bit.

[pegasus]

(snip) ... one of the GNR officers told the witness that they had already searched for the girl in the wardrobes ... (snip)"
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post112.html#p112

If the GNR officer opened all 16 wardrobe doors, why are there 4 completely closed upper doors in one of the crime scene photos?

[misty]

If the GNR officer opened all 16 wardrobe doors, why are there 4 completely closed upper doors in one of the crime scene photos?

I think it's more a question of how many doors were photographed open?

[pegasus]

The sofa wouldn't be up tight against the wall trapping a curtain if a child was behind it. Enough of fantasy luzland!

There are two possible hypotheses for the sofa during the search
Hypothesis 1: No-one searched behind the sofa.
Hypothesis 2: Someone searched behind the sofa - and then pushed it all the way back against the wall.
It's got to be one or the other - which one is it?

[pegasus]

I think it's more a question of how many doors were photographed open?

IMO the lower 8 doors were opened by the GNRofficer, but not the upper 8.

[misty]

There are two possible hypotheses for the sofa during the search
Hypothesis 1: No-one searched behind the sofa.
Hypothesis 2: Someone searched behind the sofa - and then pushed it all the way back against the wall.
It's got to be one or the other - which one is it?

It's very difficult to tell because of the angle at which the CS photo was taken.
The l/h curtain has been left hanging vertically rather than bunched up, suggesting sofa was away from the wall when the curtain was drawn back.
However, the 2nd sofa & the coffee table seem in perfect alignment with the wall sofa so.....any advance on that?

[pegasus]

It's very difficult to tell because of the angle at which the CS photo was taken.
The l/h curtain has been left hanging vertically rather than bunched up, suggesting sofa was away from the wall when the curtain was drawn back.
However, the 2nd sofa & the coffee table seem in perfect alignment with the wall sofa so.....any advance on that?

The curtains behind the sofa - were they left closed all week, day and night?
Or were they opened every morning and then closed every evening?

[misty]

The curtains behind the sofa - were they left closed all week, day and night?
Or were they opened every morning and then closed every evening?

Difficult to say, depends on Kate's own habits & preferences. From a light-level aspect during the day, there was probably no need to open that particular set if the big patio curtains & the blinds behind the dining table were open.
Were the curtains in the children's room ever open by day?
Me - I like a light room, so open my main curtains first thing & just have the venetian reflecting the sun away as it moves across our big bay window. I know a few people who leave curtains/blinds closed all day.

[Eleanor]

Difficult to say, depends on Kate's own habits & preferences. From a light-level aspect during the day, there was probably no need to open that particular set if the big patio curtains & the blinds behind the dining table were open.
Were the curtains in the children's room ever open by day?
Me - I like a light room, so open my main curtains first thing & just have the venetian reflecting the sun away as it moves across our big bay window. I know a few people who leave curtains/blinds closed all day.

I don't have curtains or blinds.  But I don't think that Kate will much have thought about it, especially in bedrooms.  But does it really matter?

[G-Unit]

When we had shutters I used to raise them in the morning when I went in to get the children up. Then I could see to do that and to make the beds later. I used to get the children's clothes from their bedrooms too. I wonder if the chest of drawers in the children's room was used? That would have meant moving a cot away from it. It depends how dark it was with the shutters down. Ours were wooden, very heavy, and made the room very dark.

[jassi]

The curtains behind the sofa - were they left closed all week, day and night?
Or were they opened every morning and then closed every evening?

Why would they bother closing them in the evening - they were hardly in the place ?