So what actual searching was there?

[misty]

... while they eat at a restaurant separated from the children by a public street?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacoba-urist/children-home-alone-_b_1122003.html

[Benice]

"Anedtodally" of course, aka Benices hundreds if thousands and even millions. From all the message boards available to google on this subject from people who stayed or actually used the service if you bother to research, most did not or felt uncomfortable all the time if they did or thought it was appalling. Sounds realistic enough.

Parents have been leaving their children asleep and using the the Listening service for 60 years or more.     If it wasn't a popular service it would have died out years ago.   It's only  there because there is a demand for it by parents.  Then there are caravanners and campers,who use the site clubs and neighbours who hold parties - which also involves leaving the kids asleep and nipping back to check on them.   Trying to pretend otherwise is unrealistic. imo.

The reason why sceptics want to play it down is because they can't accuse the McCanns of neglect etc without also accusing all those hundreds of thousands ( probably millions by now after so many years) of other parents of doing the same.   

IMO



 

 

[mercury]

Parents have been leaving their children asleep and using the the Listening service for 60 years or more.     If it wasn't a popular service it would have died out years ago.   It's only  there because there is a demand for it by parents.  Then there are caravanners and campers,who use the site clubs and neighbours who hold parties - which also involves leaving the kids asleep and nipping back to check on them.   Trying to pretend otherwise is unrealistic. imo.

The reason why sceptics want to play it down is because they can't accuse the McCanns of neglect etc without also accusing all those hundreds of thousands ( probably millions by now after so many years) of other parents of doing the same.   

IMO

There is no evidence hundreds of thousands used it, so do cite, and your thnking many did and thats why it was on offer doesnt count, I already posted that many on message boards said it was on offer but they didnt use it or if they did felt uncomfortable doing so as they would not be able to relax and enjoy their evening...well, obviously, and Im sure the tapas group couldnt relax either when one or other were up every 5 mins playing musical chairs

[Alice Purjorick]

You've a way to go before catching up with Lucien Freud.

Or Charles II.
"His scepter and his p***k are of a length; And she may sway the one who plays with th' other."

[misty]

I've posted a cite. Do keep up.

[pegasus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacoba-urist/children-home-alone-_b_1122003.html

The problem with audio baby monitors is that choking can be silent.

[mercury]

I've posted a cite. Do keep up.

So sorry

Consider myself spanked by you!!

[Alfie]

Davel, put the goaders on ignore, seriously.  It'll drive them nuts! 

[misty]

The problem with audio baby monitors is that choking can be silent.

I agree. Doesn't make any difference if you're on the premises or not in that sort of sad circumstance. Presumably, The Paris Parents did not see that as a risk.

I was more interested in the comment made by the father that there are different types of parenting.

[pegasus]

If a person did search behind the sofa, that person then pushed it against the wall afterwards (compulsive tidyness obsession?) and then completely forgot to mention this in their statement (sofamnesia?). Both are very odd things to do.

[misty]

If a person did search behind the sofa, that person then pushed it against the wall afterwards (compulsive tidyness obsession?) and then completely forgot to mention this in their statement (sofamnesia?). Both are very odd things to do.

I don't think for one minute all searchers were asked to describe each & every place they looked for a concealed Madeleine, judging by statement content. Wherever each searcher looked, they didn't see her so was it worthy of reporting?
 Did a lightweight sofa slide easily across the floor? 
In the same manner, it is clear that Madeleine's every move was not reported by the parents, friends or nannies for that particular week - e.g. did she ever go inside the Batista supermarket or walk to the Post Office with either parent to send postcards?

[pegasus]

Imagine you are urgently searching for a missing child.
Everyone else is searching outside.
You have a desperate search inside - and you search between a sofa and a wall.
Imagine you find nothing there.
Would you then take time off from your urgent search to push the sofa against the wall?

[mercury]

Imagine you are urgently searching for a missing child.
Everyone else is searching outside.
You have a desperate search inside - and you search between a sofa and a wall.
Imagine you find nothing there.
Would you then take time off from your urgent search to push the sofa against the wall?

No

[misty]

Imagine you are urgently searching for a missing child.
Everyone else is searching outside.
You have a desperate search inside - and you search between a sofa and a wall.
Imagine you find nothing there.
Would you then take time off from your urgent search to push the sofa against the wall?

The sofa could have been moved on more than one occasion, Pegasus, and pushed back against the wall. Certainly the curtains behind it show signs of disturbance in the CSI photos. All we do know is that what was photographed that night is not a true reflection of the scene at the time KM entered the apartment at 10pm.

[pegasus]

I don't think for one minute all searchers were asked to describe each & every place they looked for a concealed Madeleine, judging by statement content. Wherever each searcher looked, they didn't see her so was it worthy of reporting?
 Did a lightweight sofa slide easily across the floor? 
In the same manner, it is clear that Madeleine's every move was not reported by the parents, friends or nannies for that particular week - e.g. did she ever go inside the Batista supermarket or walk to the Post Office with either parent to send postcards?

Yes but in the crime scene photo the sofa is pushed back so tight against the wall that it clamps the curtains so they can't be operated.
Can you describe step by step the search behind that sofa, so you end up with the sofa fully against the wall?