So what actual searching was there?

[sadie]

You cannot equate searching with going out, that is merely your interpretation.  As the parents always went out alone only they know what they did and where.  That applies to the trips away in the hire car too, nobody knows what they were doing as the magistrate refused to allow the vehicle to be bugged.

They searched Angelo.  Absolutely no question about it.   Why do you find it necessary to automatically disbelieve anything they utter ?

Thank goodness that we know about it from just a few of the witnesses, but there would be many more, who simply are not documented IMO.

[sadie]

I wonder why she was asked this... it could  be she didn't know people were searching and this is why the people in the UK were concerned as the family were telling all and sundry no one was doing anything... which of coarse isn't true at all- along with the 'jemmied shutters'  imo ,also emanating from 'the family back home'

As for the 'jemmied shutters', what a fuss has been made over two words.  Used widely in Scotland and just "Chinese Whispers" being bulled up to be something big .... simply  to try and undermine and bully The Mccanns IMO. 

[Brietta]

You cannot equate searching with going out, that is merely your interpretation.  As the parents always went out alone only they know what they did and where.  That applies to the trips away in the hire car too, nobody knows what they were doing as the magistrate refused to allow the vehicle to be bugged.

That applies to every searcher.
I believe the protocol is for police to organise named civilian volunteer searchers into groups who are allocated designated search areas each team led by a professional as demonstrated in the most recent search for a missing child in Edinburgh.

By 10am, 180 members of the public had registered at the North Neighbourhood Centre in West Pilton Gardens to join the search with hundreds more waiting outside to register.
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-17/community-unites-in-search-for-missing-mikaeel-kular/

Tragic hunt: Members of the public assisting the police with the search in the Silverknowes area of Edinburgh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705413/Mother-admits-punching-three-year-old-son-death-putting-body-suitcase-hiding-bush-sparking-massive-manhunt.html#ixzz5E4DstExK

One can immediately see why the parents of a missing child are not encouraged to be 'hands on'.  Had Mikaeel's mother been innocent of involvement in his death she was apparently in poor mental health so expecting her to conduct her own physical searching would have been most inappropriate.
As it stands, the fact she became a suspect who was subsequently found guilty of killing her little boy also shows how inappropriate it would have been.

Similarly, to allow volunteers to range in uncoordinated groups perhaps covering an area repeatedly while not touching on others at all is inappropriate.
Knowing who is searching where and when is essential particularly as at a later date a volunteer searcher could become a suspect.

In Britain we have this all down pat - and I'll guarantee it is likewise now in Portugal post 2007 - which is one reason why I find the constant moan about Kate and Gerry allegedly not searching being turned into such a big deal so risible.

[Angelo222]

They searched Angelo.  Absolutely no question about it.   Why do you find it necessary to automatically disbelieve anything they utter ?

The way that some on here behave towards The Mccanns is downright cruel, and that is not just my opinion

Thank goodness that we know about it from just a few of the witnesses, but there would be many more, who simply are not documented.

They never took part in any organised searches ever to my knowledge which reeks of xenophobia.  Do the McCanns think they are better than everyone else because they went to medical school? 

[Angelo222]

That applies to every searcher.
I believe the protocol is for police to organise named civilian volunteer searchers into groups who are allocated designated search areas each team led by a professional as demonstrated in the most recent search for a missing child in Edinburgh.

By 10am, 180 members of the public had registered at the North Neighbourhood Centre in West Pilton Gardens to join the search with hundreds more waiting outside to register.
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-17/community-unites-in-search-for-missing-mikaeel-kular/

Tragic hunt: Members of the public assisting the police with the search in the Silverknowes area of Edinburgh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705413/Mother-admits-punching-three-year-old-son-death-putting-body-suitcase-hiding-bush-sparking-massive-manhunt.html#ixzz5E4DstExK

One can immediately see why the parents of a missing child are not encouraged to be 'hands on'.  Had Mikaeel's mother been innocent of involvement in his death she was apparently in poor mental health so expecting her to conduct her own physical searching would have been most inappropriate.
As it stands, the fact she became a suspect who was subsequently found guilty of killing her little boy also shows how inappropriate it would have been.

Similarly, to allow volunteers to range in uncoordinated groups perhaps covering an area repeatedly while not touching on others at all is inappropriate.
Knowing who is searching where and when is essential particularly as at a later date a volunteer searcher could become a suspect.

In Britain we have this all down pat - and I'll guarantee it is likewise now in Portugal post 2007 - which is one reason why I find the constant moan about Kate and Gerry allegedly not searching being turned into such a big deal so risible.

And we all know how this ended up.  A child buried in a shallow grave and a mother convicted of murder.

[jassi]

They never took part in any organised searches ever to my knowledge which reeks of xenophobia.  Do the McCanns think they are better than everyone else because they went to medical school?

I think they certainly display a high degree of entitlement  to the extent that they expect  others should search on their behalf.

[sadie]

They never took part in any organised searches ever to my knowledge which reeks of xenophobia.  Do the McCanns think they are better than everyone else because they went to medical school?

Xenophobia, how quaint your thinking is Angelo.

More likely that they couldn't bear to receive sympathy from one and all on such a public search. 

[My friend, at 80, has suddenly lost her hubby and within two weeks had gone back to work.  Yes she works at 80. 

A very popular young looking woman, everyone wanted to show their love and concern and would she be alright?  The day that she returned to work after the funeral, she was often asked "would she be alright at work"?

Her first words were "yes, I will be OK, but please dont express sympathy or say anything especially nice to me because, if you do, I will crumble immediately and start weeping.]



And that is apart from the fact that the media would be after them persistently.
Also the demands on their time by the police.

Tbh, it wouldn't take such intelligent people as The Mccanns and their friends long to realise the futility of physical searching after the first few hours.  They searched the intelligent way and didn't they ever do well, getting the BIG boys [SY and Oporto Special Madeleine group] on board and re-opening the investigation

[Brietta]

And we all know how this ended up.  A child buried in a shallow grave and a mother convicted of murder.

Sadly yes.

But although the child was not recovered unharmed it was at least discovered where his remains lay and exactly what had happened to him.

[Robittybob1]

They never took part in any organised searches ever to my knowledge which reeks of xenophobia.  Do the McCanns think they are better than everyone else because they went to medical school?

xenophobia

noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
"racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe"
synonyms:   racism, racialism, racial hatred, ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity

[Lace]

When asked if she searched on 25th May 2007 Kate McCann never mentioned this hour of jumping over walls, raking through undergrowth and peering into ditches and holes.

snipped -  In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/51536615/Family-Survival-Guide-When-Your-Child-is-Missing

[Eleanor]

snipped -  In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/51536615/Family-Survival-Guide-When-Your-Child-is-Missing

An excellent and timely reminder.  Thank You, Lace.

[G-Unit]

snipped -  In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/51536615/Family-Survival-Guide-When-Your-Child-is-Missing

I don't suppose they read up on 'how to behave when your child is abducted' before the event.

[Robittybob1]

I don't suppose they read up on 'how to behave when your child is abducted' before the event.

Essential reading for all prospective parents IMO.

[Eleanor]

Essential reading for all prospective parents IMO.

Especially if you know one of your children is going to be abducted.

[Angelo222]

They searched Angelo.  Absolutely no question about it imo.   Why do you find it necessary to automatically disbelieve anything they utter ?

Thank goodness that we know about it from just a few of the witnesses, but there would be many more, who simply are not documented IMO.

Seemingly no since Kate McCann admits that there was nobody around at dawn.  As for disbelieving them, I refer you to the very recent Supreme Court edict which casts doubt on their story thus I am perfectly entitled to be suspicious.

The only searching which they did according to their own statements and interviews was in the hours following Maddie's disappearance, they did not take part in any organised searches which I find incredible.

The McCanns were wrong to claim that nobody was out searching at dawn.  They would not have known the full scope of searches which were ongoing around Luz and especially the beach area and in the bay itself and further afield.  Thus began the criticism of the police.