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Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2021, 09:08:05 PM »
What the hell are we supposed to deduce from that pathetic effort?

not sure there's a word like grief tourism for living out walter mitty fantasies of crime investigation but this is unreal. ive seen plenty of videos like this the last few weeks.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2021, 09:18:32 PM »
not sure there's a word like grief tourism for living out walter mitty fantasies of crime investigation but this is unreal. ive seen plenty of videos like this the last few weeks.

I wasn’t looking for a character reference but confirmation of the route.

Now about that hoodie?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2021, 09:40:00 PM »
I wasn’t looking for a character reference but confirmation of the route.

Now about that hoodie?

Yes, that hoodie - the one that we can only currently only speculate about the appearance of, because the reconstruction utilize off the shelf one only similar but not same as the real garment, sourced at short notice, and iron on patches?

what about it?

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Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2021, 09:49:55 PM »
Do any of you know the locality?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2021, 10:35:15 PM »
Yes, that hoodie - the one that we can only currently only speculate about the appearance of, because the reconstruction utilize off the shelf one only similar but not same as the real garment, sourced at short notice, and iron on patches?

what about it?

But surely it was the one as you posted.

‘one of the exact deftones [Name removed]s hoodie on ebay right now. some things to note:’

And from the same link as ‘one of the exact Deftones hoodies’ I posted the back of the garment which you carelessly forgot to post with the exact same logo as featured in the reconstruction, right down to size and placement....and guess what, the hood doesn’t cover the logo.

Oops !!!

Further if it’s not the ‘exact’ one you can have no idea what colour the hood was, demolishing your argument regarding AB’s description of the hoodie as blue.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2021, 10:51:25 PM »
But surely it was the one as you posted.

‘one of the exact deftones [Name removed]s hoodie on ebay right now. some things to note:’

And from the same link as ‘one of the exact Deftones hoodies’ I posted the back of the garment which you carelessly forgot to post with the exact same logo as featured in the reconstruction, right down to size and placement....and guess what, the hood doesn’t cover the logo.

Oops !!!

Further if it’s not the ‘exact’ one you can have no idea what colour the hood was, demolishing your argument regarding AB’s description of the hoodie as blue.

right, but we're here to establish facts, not achieve percieved owns

id assumed , fairly one might say, that there had only been one version of that official deftones merch hoodie, blue inner hood, and that was the one jodi had. its still possible that that's the case, as this is old clothing taht its actually very hard to find images of. its just my word, but i recall seeing this all over gigs in glasgow in the early 2000s. there might be knocks offs out there. its possible jodis one was unofficial. without seeing the exact hoodie jodi had, we cant establish for fact whether the hood was black or blue, whether the logo was big or small, whether it was plainly visible with hood down or obscured. these things are certainly possibilities. unless you have a photo of that hoodie and can conclusively say otherwise?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2021, 11:47:50 PM »
right, but we're here to establish facts, not achieve percieved owns

id assumed , fairly one might say, that there had only been one version of that official deftones merch hoodie, blue inner hood, and that was the one jodi had. its still possible that that's the case, as this is old clothing taht its actually very hard to find images of. its just my word, but i recall seeing this all over gigs in glasgow in the early 2000s. there might be knocks offs out there. its possible jodis one was unofficial. without seeing the exact hoodie jodi had, we cant establish for fact whether the hood was black or blue, whether the logo was big or small, whether it was plainly visible with hood down or obscured. these things are certainly possibilities. unless you have a photo of that hoodie and can conclusively say otherwise?


Knock offs are usually faithful to the original ( so you don’t have to admit that you’re too skint to buy the real one) and having scoured the internet I, like you, have only found the D*i*c*k*i*e*s logo hoodie you posted, with the large logo on the back. This hoodie is also identical to the description of the one Jodi was wearing ‘ a baggy black hoodie with a large bright orange Deftones logo across the back and the same logo on the left sleeve and upper left front.’ I think therefore we can be reasonably sure that the hood didn’t totally obscure the logo or indeed that the hood made the hoodie look navy.

« Last Edit: March 09, 2021, 12:01:51 AM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2021, 12:37:48 AM »
I heard that when Judith lifted Jodi’s grounding on that fateful day on 30.06.03, Luke and Jodi had exchanged a series of text messages between 1630-1638 hrs that were never retrieved (Jodi had used Judith’s phone as hers was broken and Luke used his own mobile phone). It’s a great pity these texts were never retrieved, as they could’ve contained crucial evidence such as the young couple’s meeting up arrangements for the evening (I think a common arrangement between them previously was, as some of you have already mentioned, Luke and Jodi meeting halfway between easthouses and newbattle path/shortcut (about a 900 metre-long secluded path of woodland and open fields) and hanging around the easthouses area thereafter. But, according to Luke, they had agreed to meet up at the newbattle end of the path that evening (of course, he could be lying, but if that was the arrangement it could perhaps explain why the texts were deleted, since Judith didn’t approve of Jodi walking that long path to Luke’s alone (as I said, I think the path is about a 0.75 Miles (900 metres, according to the info on Luke’s online appeal Scots court documents) and is secluded woodland with open fields on both sides, so her mother’s concerns were entirely justified, and this is perhaps why Jodi may have deleted those texts from her mother’s phone so as not to worry her that she was planning to walk up alone to meet Luke at the newbattle end of the path; or maybe they had been arguing via texts — another possible reason for them being deleted).

Now, this is where it gets interesting. (As I said, this is why it would’ve been useful for the text exchanges between Luke and Jodi @ 1635-1638 to have been retrieved, but we know they were deleted.) Jodi was meant to have left her house around 1650 to go and meet Luke at Newbattle and it’s approx. a distance of 1750 metres (1.087 Miles) in total from Jodi’s house to Luke’s. Eyewitness Andrina Bryson reported that she had seen a young couple who, it turned out,  matched Luke’s and Jodi’s description, standing at the easthouses entrance to the path @ around 1650-1655 (sounds plausible, since Jodi left the house at around 1650 and only lives approx. 250 metres away from the entrance to the path). It is also interesting that eyewitness Bryson indicated that the male she spotted had his hands held out in front of him, palms facing outward, as if gesturing “what?” or “I don’t know”, like they were having a dispute or disagreement (Bryson didn’t say it looked like a heated argument or anything like that or that anyone was in distress, just merely a little dispute or something). Weighing all this up, and taking into consideraration that Shane, at the age of 21 or 22, said that he couldn’t be sure that Luke was in the house or that he was masturbating between 1640 and 1715 (it has been suggested that Shane was bullied or manipulated by the police & F.L.O. into saying that he couldn’t be sure wether Luke was in the house at those times or that he was masturbating to porn, but I find this hard to believe; Shane was 21 or 22 at the time of the investigation, not 12). There’s just too many other facets of this case that incriminate Luke, as well: the missing green jacket that teachers and friends said Luke owned and the fact Corrine bought him another jacket similar to that of the missing one; the strange pungent smell coming from the Mitchell’s log burner which Shane or Luke had admitted was used that night between 1800-1900 and then again at 2100 that same night (I know that other people were burning stuff in neighbouring properties and that the burner was taken away and forensically examined, but there was plenty of time to destroy any evidence, and plus I think all bins were emptied by binnen despite a murder investigation taking place!); Luke’s interest in knives seemed excessive despite his interest in camping and hunting, and what a coincidence that the knife he regularly carried went missing during the murder investigation; Luke’s cannabis use was excessive (probably to the detriment of his mental health); there were signs in primary school and high school that Luke had problems with temper and violence (teachers wanting to refer him to a specialist and guidance teachers; he even threatened a previous girlfriend with a knife to the point it had left her shaken and she confirmed this in a newspaper story; Luke’s excessive interest in satanism, the macabre and occult (teachers said they were slightly concerned with violent nature of some of his essays); he told his friend David High that ‘Jodi wouldn’t be coming out’, despite being told by Jodi’s stepfather that she’d already left to meet him earlier; the dog got a scent the second time walking along the path (odd that it didn’t get the scent the first time of walking along the path; Luke was deemed unsympathetic and nasty, cocky and calculating by authorities; advanced for his age and cunning and in control during times of forceful interrogation (this was prior to him receiving medication to sedate him); he was a bit of the man about the house and never had a father figure (due to his parents’ divorce) and was used to getting his own way; his mother Corrine lied so Luke could get a tattoo (what else would she be willing to lie about?).

I think Luke, for whatever reason, dropped everything he was doing, left the house at around 1640 HRs to go and meet Jody at the easthouses end of Roan’s Dyke (which he had mostly done since dating her in March 2003), walking briskly (maybe even running at times). He was keen to meet her, for whatever reason. Upon meeting her, they may have argued  (maybe they had been arguing earlier that day and it continued when they met up again at 1700 HRS and it became very heated heading along to newbattle). Man, that was a Herculean task typing that on an iPhone! Phew!

Btw, I still think all the others in the search party should’ve been investigated as thoroughly as Luke was. Same applies to the moped boys, Mark Kane, the condom guy and Robert Greens (who was in the area that day). Why weren’t they? At this point, I am convinced that Luke did it and not at all surprised he was convicted — the circumstantial evidence against him was/is overwhelming, imo.

Offline John

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2021, 11:35:13 AM »
The circumstantial evidence is indeed substantial and might not have been enough to persuade a majority of the jury had his brother not failed to back up his alibi.

If Shane had been mistaken or been misunderstood, he has had nearly 18 years to come out of the shadows and shout it out to high heavens.  HE HASN'T SEEN THE NEED!!!

Those who advocate for Luke Mitchell claim that he didn't go near the path that afternoon and have always attempted to undermine the sighting made by the two ladies in a passing car on Newbattle Road.  The truth is that Luke has no alibi for the time the murder was committed. Even his mother didn't arrive home until around 5.30pm.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 12:35:13 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2021, 03:34:02 PM »
The circumstantial evidence is indeed substantial and might not have been enough to persuade a majority of the jury had his brother not failed to back up his alibi.

If Shane had been mistaken or been misunderstood, he has had nearly 18 years to come out of the shadows and shout it out to high heavens.  HE HASN'T SEEN THE NEED!!!

Those who advocate for Luke Mitchell claim that he didn't go near the path that afternoon and have always attempted to undermine the sighting made by the two ladies in a passing car on Newbattle Road.  The truth is that Luke has no alibi for the time the murder was committed. Even his mother didn't arrive home until around 5.30pm.

The lady jogger, a disinterested party, proved from her timeline, that the two ladies in the car could not have seen Luke where they say they did at the time they said that they did.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2021, 05:30:15 PM »
The lady jogger, a disinterested party, proved from her timeline, that the two ladies in the car could not have seen Luke where they say they did at the time they said that they did.

The lady jogger you refer to is an irrelevant sighting as she turned left out of Newbattle Abbey Crescent onto Newbattle Road.  This raises an interesting question though as she failed to see Luke Mitchell where he claimed to be at 5.45pm and that was at the junction where the two roads meet.

The police only managed to contact one jogger and she wasn't where the two women in the car saw a jogger which raises the question of there being more than one jogger.

So I'm afraid you have gone down yet another dead end in an attempt to create an alibi.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 05:44:17 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2021, 06:37:15 PM »
The lady jogger you refer to is an irrelevant sighting as she turned left out of Newbattle Abbey Crescent onto Newbattle Road.  This raises an interesting question though as she failed to see Luke Mitchell where he claimed to be at 5.45pm and that was at the junction where the two roads meet.

The police only managed to contact one jogger and she wasn't where the two women in the car saw a jogger which raises the question of there being more than one jogger.

So I'm afraid you have gone down yet another dead end in an attempt to create an alibi.

The eye witnesses said that they saw the jogger at the same time as ‘Luke’ but the jogger said that she couldn’t be where the eye witnesses said that she was. The jogger also verified that she was dressed in the clothes that the eyewitnesses described.

You see the problem is Sandra access to all the statements, you don’t and that is always going to put you at a disadvantage.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 07:15:18 PM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2021, 06:48:21 PM »
The eye witnesses said that they saw the jogger at the same the same time as ‘Luke’ but the jogger said that she couldn’t be where the eye witnesses said that she was. The jogger also verified that she was dressed in the clothes that the eyewitnesses described.

You see the problem is Sandra access to all the statements, you don’t and that is always going to put you at a disadvantage.
These statements didn’t work much to Mitchell’s advantage did they?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2021, 08:00:13 PM »
From an appeal hearing:

The appellant was just under 15 years old at the date of the murder. The deceased was 14 years old. She was the appellant's girlfriend. On 30 June 2003, she arranged to meet him after school. She left her home at around 4 50 pm. None of her family saw her alive again. At 5 40 pm, the appellant telephoned the deceased's house and spoke to her mother's partner, asking if the deceased was there. He was told that the deceased had already left to meet him. When the deceased failed to return home at 10 pm as planned, her mother sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, telling her daughter to come home. The appellant then telephoned the deceased's mother to tell her that he had not seen the deceased.

Assuming the above is correct was LM expecting J J to call for him or was meeting her elsewhere?  Given that at 10pm he said he had not seen J J why didn't he attempt to find out where she had got to if he wasn't involved in the murder?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Did Jodi's family know she was going to Luke's?
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2021, 08:57:37 PM »
From an appeal hearing:

The appellant was just under 15 years old at the date of the murder. The deceased was 14 years old. She was the appellant's girlfriend. On 30 June 2003, she arranged to meet him after school. She left her home at around 4 50 pm. None of her family saw her alive again. At 5 40 pm, the appellant telephoned the deceased's house and spoke to her mother's partner, asking if the deceased was there. He was told that the deceased had already left to meet him. When the deceased failed to return home at 10 pm as planned, her mother sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, telling her daughter to come home. The appellant then telephoned the deceased's mother to tell her that he had not seen the deceased.


Assuming the above is correct was LM expecting J J to call for him or was meeting her elsewhere?  Given that at 10pm he said he had not seen J J why didn't he attempt to find out where she had got to if he wasn't involved in the murder?

Jodi didn’t have a phone, she used her mum’s to contact Luke earlier in the day and I assume he felt that he couldn’t keep calling her house.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?