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Offline Sunny

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #540 on: October 24, 2018, 03:17:07 PM »
  This? http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2319.jpg

Thank you again Snowgirl.

I see they are slightly open in the photographs but we can't be sure they were that way when Madeleine went missing.   There would probably be a draught through the gap though that would make the room colder than others in the apartment IMO.

G-Unit I agree I can't see the cleaners being foolish enough to leave the window open.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #541 on: October 24, 2018, 03:28:04 PM »
Thank you again Snowgirl.

I see they are slightly open in the photographs but we can't be sure they were that way when Madeleine went missing.   There would probably be a draught through the gap though that would make the room colder than others in the apartment IMO.

G-Unit I agree I can't see the cleaners being foolish enough to leave the window open.

From Heriberto on this forum... Can't do link at the moment


You cas see here, in the 5A window, that the auto-lock of the panes was not functioning properly (from Amaral's Truth of the Lie).

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8227.msg407759#msg407759
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Offline Snowgirl

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #542 on: October 24, 2018, 03:29:27 PM »
Thank you again Snowgirl.

I see they are slightly open in the photographs but we can't be sure they were that way when Madeleine went missing.   There would probably be a draught through the gap though that would make the room colder than others in the apartment IMO.

G-Unit I agree I can't see the cleaners being foolish enough to leave the window open.
Sunny I thought the photos were detailing the locks ,so now I’m recalling how  windows on my holidays fasten
Contrary to my windows at home which actually have to be locked with a key ,these like my holiday ones look to  lock when you  take hold of  the handle  move it out,  up then straight down .

Offline Snowgirl

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #543 on: October 24, 2018, 03:32:16 PM »
From Heriberto on this forum... Can't do link at the moment


You cas see here, in the 5A window, that the auto-lock of the panes was not functioning properly (from Amaral's Truth of the Lie).

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8227.msg407759#msg407759
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Offline Sunny

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #544 on: October 24, 2018, 03:54:52 PM »
From Heriberto on this forum... Can't do link at the moment


You cas see here, in the 5A window, that the auto-lock of the panes was not functioning properly (from Amaral's Truth of the Lie).

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8227.msg407759#msg407759

Unfortunately no video so we are no further forward.  Thanks anyway Davel.
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Offline sadie

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #545 on: October 24, 2018, 04:30:28 PM »
Do we know if the windows were able to be opened from the outside?  I have never seen anything about that at all only the shutters.   If they were not able to be opened from there then an abductor would not be able to use them as an entry point.
My understanding is that so long as the latch wasn't in the locked/ latched position it was possible to slide them open from the outside.  See Heriberto Janoschs' video of him opening the shutters and then sliding the window open


Note:   Unless Heris video is on the 'Panarama 10 year Youtube 'video, it doesn't appear to be on the internet any more ... and I have VERY Rapidly gone thru the whole video, but didn't spot it   

Have spoken briefly to Heri, I think he said that it was on that video, but the line was bad and I am not sure whether I heard him properly.  He was at work so we kept the call short.



Anyway probably 90% of you will have seen it already, imo



So I think that if the window was not locked, but only slid to, then yes it would be possible to open both the shutters and the window.


And if they believed the shutters were locked as the Mccanns did, who would they bother to latch or lock the window itself ?





PS.  I dont think that Heri was using 5A window and shutters for his demo, but being the extraordinarily thorough sleuth that he has shown himself to be, I think that he would have carefully chosen a similar set up.

Offline Brietta

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #546 on: October 24, 2018, 04:57:35 PM »
My understanding is that so long as the latch wasn't in the locked/ latched position it was possible to slide them open from the outside.  See Heriberto Janoschs' video of him opening the shutters and then sliding the window open


Note:   Unless Heris video is on the 'Panarama 10 year Youtube 'video, it doesn't appear to be on the internet any more ... and I have VERY Rapidly gone thru the whole video, but didn't spot it   

Have spoken briefly to Heri, I think he said that it was on that video, but the line was bad and I am not sure whether I heard him properly.  He was at work so we kept the call short.



Anyway probably 90% of you will have seen it already, imo



So I think that if the window was not locked, but only slid to, then yes it would be possible to open both the shutters and the window.


And if they believed the shutters were locked as the Mccanns did, who would they bother to latch or lock the window itself ?





PS.  I dont think that Heri was using 5A window and shutters for his demo, but being the extraordinarily thorough sleuth that he has shown himself to be, I think that he would have carefully chosen a similar set up.

You are correct Sadie; Pat Brown's video shows the shutter in 5A being raised from outside as far as it could be without opening the window ... Heri did not trespass on 5A property for his demonstration but used an apartment with exactly the same shutter mechanism and exactly the same type of sliding window as in 5A.

I imagine that the majority of members will indeed have seen the video demonstration of exactly how to mimic a burglary.

However in my opinion the hundred dollar question regarding the window and shutter is from the Report by Joao Barreiras, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/04
Only the inside of the glass was examined at this time due the fact that it was night and the location was sealed until there was sufficient light to allow the examination of the residence to be completed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

There is no record of that requirement being carried out by the fingerprint officer the following day that I can see.
Quite a glaring oversight when being aware of how simple it is to gain access to an apartment through a window requiring contact to be made with the outside glass.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #547 on: October 24, 2018, 05:18:45 PM »
Thank you again Snowgirl.

I see they are slightly open in the photographs but we can't be sure they were that way when Madeleine went missing.   There would probably be a draught through the gap though that would make the room colder than others in the apartment IMO.

G-Unit I agree I can't see the cleaners being foolish enough to leave the window open.
Why not?  Are cleaners not prone to acts of foolishness as a rule? 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #548 on: October 24, 2018, 06:27:49 PM »
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ the video that used to be here is no longer here.  of Heriberto demonstrating opening the window is not there anymore.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #549 on: October 24, 2018, 06:30:14 PM »
Why not?  Are cleaners not prone to acts of foolishness as a rule?

In my opinion it would be a sackable offense if a cleaner left an apartment insecure. The 5A cleaner had worked for the Ocean Club for 13 years so she was very experienced. .
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #550 on: October 24, 2018, 06:33:24 PM »
She might have left it like she found it.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #551 on: October 24, 2018, 06:37:57 PM »
She might have left it like she found it.

Or she might not have touched it at all. I'm not sure where the evidence that she did touch it came from.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #552 on: October 24, 2018, 06:41:17 PM »
In my opinion it would be a sackable offense if a cleaner left an apartment insecure. The 5A cleaner had worked for the Ocean Club for 13 years so she was very experienced. .
Mistakes happen, even cleaners make them sometimes. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: "no evidence" to support a theory missing girl Madeleine McCann is alive
« Reply #553 on: October 24, 2018, 06:41:51 PM »
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com/ the video that used to be here is no longer here.  of Heriberto demonstrating opening the window is not there anymore.
I had linked to that video many times in the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzpniKAWvUI&feature=youtu.be

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8391.msg418476#msg418476 has the link in the quoted bit plus a link to Peter Mac opening the shutters at 5A.  Bloody classic.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

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« Reply #554 on: October 24, 2018, 06:42:05 PM »
Or she might not have touched it at all. I'm not sure where the evidence that she did touch it came from.
In which case it may have been unlocked for days or weeks.
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